From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nick Roberts Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Pretest? [was: Re: bootstrap problem with union Lisp_Object] Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:56:11 +1300 Message-ID: <17307.45419.361296.61476@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> References: <55DA5764-DDB6-4858-9CE2-065857CDC863@gnu.org> <3AFF0594-F842-4079-9A3B-D1CF7358A281@raeburn.org> <0D268F0D-B278-4307-86E3-E0FCE7A3B57B@raeburn.org> <87pso6anui.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1134277067 18331 80.91.229.2 (11 Dec 2005 04:57:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 04:57:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 11 05:57:39 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ElJGf-0004HE-Rn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 05:57:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ElJH6-0003TT-1V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:57:28 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ElJGm-0003TH-Tu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:57:08 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ElJGl-0003T0-4p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:57:08 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ElJGk-0003Sw-Vr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:57:06 -0500 Original-Received: from [202.37.101.8] (helo=viper.snap.net.nz) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1ElJIF-0002hQ-4e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Dec 2005 23:58:39 -0500 Original-Received: from kahikatea.snap.net.nz (p145-tnt1.snap.net.nz [202.124.110.145]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197AA731032; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:56:36 +1300 (NZDT) Original-Received: by kahikatea.snap.net.nz (Postfix, from userid 500) id CF3148420; Sun, 11 Dec 2005 17:56:11 +1300 (NZDT) Original-To: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 22.0.50.20 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:47428 Archived-At: > > It makes no sense to postpone debugging the bugs we know about > > in order to discover more bugs. > > Who's talking about postponing debugging of known bugs? > > So I disagree! Some bugs are more severe than others, and one of the > most severe has yet to be resolved -- the more people who test > the software, the better the chance of narrowing in on that bug. > > So let's start the pretest NOW! We've been here nearly two years ago but I guess things have moved forward enough so that ideas rejected then might be acceptable now. When the pretest is released, hopefully soon, I suggest that a branch is cut. I may be wrong but I think this is usual practice. I don't think this will mean that effort will be taken away from the release as many developers have expressed an interest in seeing one. It will, however, discourage adding further changes which are not really bug fixes, and indeed, may introduce new bugs. In fact, I think there should be a strict rule that only changes that relate to identified bugs be allowed on this branch. There will also an incentive to get the release out, so that normal development can resume on the trunk. Nick