From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nick Roberts Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: tooltip-use-echo-area disappeared Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 20:29:45 +1200 Message-ID: <17075.56185.519668.760489@farnswood.snap.net.nz> References: <429EBEBF.4080005@gnu.org> <17054.53387.737275.879063@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <1117715090.429efa926ded0@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <17055.728.887711.842945@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <42AD7E51.4000506@gnu.org> <17069.62614.145616.263552@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <17070.23884.564148.959259@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <17071.19762.509791.894078@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <17073.17279.786889.746162@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <17074.23190.437628.941264@farnswood.snap.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1119083543 10277 80.91.229.2 (18 Jun 2005 08:32:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 08:32:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jasonr@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 18 10:32:20 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DjYkH-0003e1-Pf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:32:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DjYlb-0003bP-Nu for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 04:33:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DjYjo-0003Zj-A1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 04:31:37 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DjYjh-0003XZ-Jy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 04:31:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DjYjh-0003VT-2G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 04:31:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [202.37.101.8] (helo=viper.snap.net.nz) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DjYiQ-0006h6-Oi; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 04:30:11 -0400 Original-Received: from farnswood.snap.net.nz (p75-tnt1.snap.net.nz [202.124.110.75]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id C127D563113; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 20:27:53 +1200 (NZST) Original-Received: by farnswood.snap.net.nz (Postfix, from userid 501) id 5057462A99; Sat, 18 Jun 2005 09:29:46 +0100 (BST) Original-To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 22.0.50.72 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:39062 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:39062 Eli Zaretskii writes: > IMHO, we should rather implement the functionality that somehow isn't > there (although I could probably swear I've seen it in action, at > least in NTEmacs circa 21.1) which allows the user to select one of 3 > behaviors: > > (1) tooltips popping up in small windows > (2) tooltip text displayed in the echo area > (3) tooltips completely disabled > > (1) should be (and is) the default on graphical displays, (2) should > be the default on character terminals. Features like tooltips and mouse-face don't work on a character terminal because currently Emacs doesn't know where the mouse is between clicks. A daemon program like X is needed. GPM could possibly do this on a Linux console. I don't find help text in the echo area very distracting and I'm not sure if anyone would find a need to turn it off (option 3), but if someone wants to implement it then tooltip-use-echo-area would have more logic. Nick