From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nick Roberts Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: tooltip-use-echo-area disappeared Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:30:04 +1200 Message-ID: <17070.23884.564148.959259@farnswood.snap.net.nz> References: <429EBEBF.4080005@gnu.org> <17054.53387.737275.879063@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <1117715090.429efa926ded0@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <17055.728.887711.842945@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <42AD7E51.4000506@gnu.org> <17069.62614.145616.263552@farnswood.snap.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1118723253 1569 80.91.229.2 (14 Jun 2005 04:27:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 04:27:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Jason Rumney Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 14 06:27:21 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Di30u-0001OM-0a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 06:27:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Di35o-0007ev-Oi for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 00:32:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Di35Q-0007cY-FQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 00:31:40 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Di35M-0007Zn-1s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 00:31:37 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Di35L-0007Yd-QK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 00:31:35 -0400 Original-Received: from [202.37.101.8] (helo=viper.snap.net.nz) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Di33Q-0004MD-Rd; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 00:29:37 -0400 Original-Received: from farnswood.snap.net.nz (p176-tnt2.snap.net.nz [202.124.108.176]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id C308C544BC4; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:28:17 +1200 (NZST) Original-Received: by farnswood.snap.net.nz (Postfix, from userid 501) id 3CAA262A99; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 05:30:05 +0100 (BST) Original-To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 22.0.50.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:38780 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:38780 > > Even more reason not to remove tooltip-use-echo-area. > > > > > With the former, messages were displayed in the echo area in the > > > manner of a tooltip i.e they required the mouse to pause over the > > > text etc. With the latter, help messages appear instantly like > > > mouse-face. > > > > They shouldn't appear at all. > > FWIW, I fully agree with Jason, on both counts. tooltip-use-echo-area > was a useful option; in particular, if we ever make the tty version > support tooltips, displaying them in the echo area will be our only > choice. > > That option should have never been removed, IMHO. Does anything > prevent us from resurrecting it now? Resurrecting tooltip-use-echo-area is unrelated to making the tty version support tooltips. It was just a flag that re-directed the output of tooltip-show-help to the echo area i.e. in the case of normal tooltips back to where it was displayed before tooltips were turned on. Normal tooltips and GUD tooltips have quite different internals and putting their associated code in separate files was much more modular. Previously if tooltip-use-echo-area was set to t so that normal tooltips displayed there, then GUD tooltips would display there. I can undo the alias of tooltip-use-echo-area with gud-tooltip-echo-area and put it in tooltip.el, so that setting it to t only displays normal tooltip there, if that would keep everyone happy. Somehow I don't think it will. Note that the doc string for tooltip-use-echo-area said: "Use the echo area instead of tooltip frames. This is only relevant GUD display, since otherwise it is equivalent to turning off Tooltip mode." Nick