From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nick Roberts Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: tooltip-use-echo-area disappeared Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 13:11:16 +1200 Message-ID: <17070.11956.309725.866833@farnswood.snap.net.nz> References: <429EBEBF.4080005@gnu.org> <17054.53387.737275.879063@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <1117715090.429efa926ded0@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <17055.728.887711.842945@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <42AD7E51.4000506@gnu.org> <17069.62614.145616.263552@farnswood.snap.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1118711416 10798 80.91.229.2 (14 Jun 2005 01:10:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 01:10:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 14 03:10:15 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DhzwB-0001Uk-RN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 03:09:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Di015-0008UH-Ou for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 21:14:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DhzzV-00076F-C1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 21:13:22 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DhzzR-00074E-A1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 21:13:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DhzzR-00073Z-43 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 21:13:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [202.37.101.8] (helo=viper.snap.net.nz) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dhzxn-0003ww-EX; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 21:11:35 -0400 Original-Received: from farnswood.snap.net.nz (p2-tnt1.snap.net.nz [202.124.110.2]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B1A9545677; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 13:10:21 +1200 (NZST) Original-Received: by farnswood.snap.net.nz (Postfix, from userid 501) id 9362F62A99; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 02:11:19 +0100 (BST) Original-To: Jason Rumney In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 22.0.50.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:38772 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:38772 > It's been reported twice before, it breaks semantic, which uses > tooltip-use-echo-area in a test to determine whether to enable a > certain feature which would be excessively annoying if displayed in a > resizing echo area. The first report appear to be from Frank Schmitt after which I added the alias. I heard no more so presumed that fixed the problem. I don't know what a "resizing echo area" is, but is it always a problem? Does it stop Semantic from working? I would guess that the next release of Semantic will be before the next release of Emacs. Has anyone reported this as a bug there? > > > Shouldn't turning tooltip-mode off disable tooltips completely, whether > > > they are displayed in frames or the echo area? > > > > Having tooltip-mode on and tooltip-use-echo-area set to t wasn't > > exactly the same as having tooltip-mode off. > > Even more reason not to remove tooltip-use-echo-area. No, not really. The user experience is pretty much the same. > > With the former, messages were displayed in the echo area in the > > manner of a tooltip i.e they required the mouse to pause over the > > text etc. With the latter, help messages appear instantly like > > mouse-face. > > They shouldn't appear at all. > > > It is not a tooltip and might even predate them, which > > might explain the apparent anomaly. AFAIK, this is how it has > > always been, and no-one has found a problem with it. > > So why the need to remove tooltip-use-echo-area then, and why is gud > so special that it still needs this variable (or a specialized version > of it), while other code apparently doesn't? I explained why earlier, and in the thread(s) about this change. GUD is not special and those involved were agreeable to the changes. I suggest that you read that material. Nick