From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nick Roberts Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: tooltip-use-echo-area disappeared Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:03:18 +1200 Message-ID: <17069.62614.145616.263552@farnswood.snap.net.nz> References: <429EBEBF.4080005@gnu.org> <17054.53387.737275.879063@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <1117715090.429efa926ded0@webmail.freedom2surf.net> <17055.728.887711.842945@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <42AD7E51.4000506@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1118697252 14705 80.91.229.2 (13 Jun 2005 21:14:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 21:14:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 13 23:14:01 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DhwF6-000058-Bc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 23:13:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DhwJx-0007aQ-Cv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:18:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DhwJk-0007ZW-Vd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:18:01 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DhwJ1-0007QB-Qd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:17:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DhwJ1-0007FX-JF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:17:15 -0400 Original-Received: from [202.37.101.8] (helo=viper.snap.net.nz) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dhw5z-00054a-FU; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:03:47 -0400 Original-Received: from farnswood.snap.net.nz (p39-tnt2.snap.net.nz [202.124.108.39]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id E85D854247B; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 09:02:32 +1200 (NZST) Original-Received: by farnswood.snap.net.nz (Postfix, from userid 501) id C1B3962A99; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 22:03:18 +0100 (BST) Original-To: Jason Rumney In-Reply-To: <42AD7E51.4000506@gnu.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 22.0.50.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:38747 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:38747 > >Setting tooltip-use-echo-area to t meant that normal (and GUD) tooltip > >strings were displayed in the echo area i.e not really as tooltips. > >They can now be displayed there independently. For GUD tooltips set > >gud-tooltip-echo-area to t. For normal (help) tooltips, just turn > >tooltip-mode off. > > > > > Meanwhile, tooltip-use-echo-area has been abducted by gud for use as an > alias, breaking existing code that assumed it was a general user option > for controlling the display of tooltips. Or even kidnapped by gud. Rather than use dramatic language to heighten your case, it would be more helpful if described what code it breaks, and how it breaks it. We could then decide what to do. > Shouldn't turning tooltip-mode off disable tooltips completely, whether > they are displayed in frames or the echo area? Having tooltip-mode on and tooltip-use-echo-area set to t wasn't exactly the same as having tooltip-mode off. With the former, messages were displayed in the echo area in the manner of a tooltip i.e they required the mouse to pause over the text etc. With the latter, help messages appear instantly like mouse-face. It is not a tooltip and might even predate them, which might explain the apparent anomaly. AFAIK, this is how it has always been, and no-one has found a problem with it. Nick