From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nick Roberts Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: /lib/cpp not found in c-mode Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 16:59:33 +1200 Message-ID: <17021.40117.645406.763859@farnswood.snap.net.nz> References: <17013.26868.207510.370151@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <17013.52411.51878.781739@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <17014.39042.74353.677362@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <87d5s8144e.fsf@zemdatav.stor.no-ip.org> <17017.13673.613123.524633@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <87ll6tn4hh.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> <01c5519b$Blat.v2.4$0c9b1d00@zahav.net.il> <17018.35323.755067.631608@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <01c55238$Blat.v2.4$0e1c2960@zahav.net.il> <17021.32598.971011.99464@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <01c55386$Blat.v2.4$7a86b9e0@zahav.net.il> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1115529520 18730 80.91.229.2 (8 May 2005 05:18:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 05:18:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 08 07:18:38 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUeBE-00089M-MU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 07:18:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUeJI-0000sh-HL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 01:26:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUe0d-00010P-2a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 01:07:19 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DUe0P-0000vx-EV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 01:07:06 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUe0K-0000rE-U5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 01:07:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [202.37.101.8] (helo=viper.snap.net.nz) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DUdxm-0006NO-37; Sun, 08 May 2005 01:04:22 -0400 Original-Received: from farnswood.snap.net.nz (p176-tnt2.snap.net.nz [202.124.108.176]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94904E9636; Sun, 8 May 2005 16:58:29 +1200 (NZST) Original-Received: by farnswood.snap.net.nz (Postfix, from userid 501) id 714EE62A99; Sun, 8 May 2005 05:59:34 +0100 (BST) Original-To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <01c55386$Blat.v2.4$7a86b9e0@zahav.net.il> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 22.0.50.40 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:36850 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:36850 > > However, I don't see why it should get an entry in NEWS as it isn't > > a user-visible change. > > ??? Entries in NEWS are subdivided into several categories; one of > them is "Lisp changes in Emacs X.YZ". locate-file is a function that > didn't exist in previous versions, so it's a Lisp-level change. > Moreover, we want Lisp programmers to know about it because it > performs its job in a way that hides system dependencies while doing > TRT. It also was important enough to require a new primitive, > locate-file-internal. All of these IMHO point to the fact that > locate-file should be in NEWS. I am just trying to understand the relationship between things. Lisp changes could refer to variables and interactive functions. Who is NEWS directed at? Users or developers? What you say sounds reasonable but in that case, I think the first line of NEWS should be changed: GNU Emacs NEWS -- history of user-visible changes. 2003-05-21 ^^^^^^^^^^^^ to something like say: GNU Emacs NEWS -- history of user-visible and lisp level changes. 2003-05-21 Nick