From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: PPAATT@aol.com Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: across terminals Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:01:57 EDT Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <170.ca25380.29f806c5@aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1019654796 14887 127.0.0.1 (24 Apr 2002 13:26:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 13:26:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 170Mn6-0003s0-00 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:26:36 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 170Mom-0003Ay-00 for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 15:28:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 170Mn0-0006Kf-00; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:26:30 -0400 Original-Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.37]) by fencepost.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 170MPN-00036Z-00; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:02:05 -0400 Original-Received: from PPAATT@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 7.170.ca25380 (4562); Wed, 24 Apr 2002 09:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Original-To: rms@gnu.org X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 138 Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:3180 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:3180 > Date: 4/20/02 11:28:15 AM MDT > From: rms@gnu.org (Richard Stallman) ... > Since such characters are not available > on all terminals, ... > People won't want to use these keys > in major modes or minor modes > meant for general use. I remain mystified by this concise statement, but I've thought up a new way to interpret it ... A quick glance thru: http://www.google.com/search?q=iso+646+vs+ascii in particular: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/chars.html#646 http://pdc.ro.nu/teletext.html suggests that keyboards designed by ISO 646 folk might have keys labelled with the "invariant set" of printable US Ascii minus the thirteen chars # $ @ [ \ ] ^ _ ` { | } ~ (i.e. x 23 24 40 5B 5C 5D 5E 5F 60 7B 7C 7D 7E). So across Europe & relations maybe we face "not available on all terminals" issues in the default Emacs keymap with the "C-c letter" concept we have been elucidating in our thread titled "bindings reserved for users" but then also with: set-mark-command is on C-@, C-SPC key ESC is on C-[ abort-recursive-edit is on C-] toggle-input-method is on C-\ undo C-_, C-/ ispell-word M-$ mark-word is on M-@ delete-horizontal-space is on M-\ delete-indentation is on M-^ tmm-menubar is on M-` backward-paragraph is on C-up, M-{ shell-command-on-region is on M-| forward-paragraph is on C-down, M-} not-modified is on M-~ Fun to see how many of these we have (and have not) already bound to alternate key sequences, not to mention mouse actions etc. I remember in particular that C-h t help-with-tutorial bemoans the difficulty of finding locally how to undo, hence we have C-x u advertised-undo (also known as the undo that C-h w undo does Not advertise). Pat LaVarre