From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nick Roberts Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: ChangeLog? Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:49:40 +1300 Message-ID: <16935.48820.778236.649886@farnswood.snap.net.nz> References: <61k6osjqsz.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1109901881 24093 80.91.229.2 (4 Mar 2005 02:04:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 02:04:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 04 03:04:41 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D72Ay-00064r-9I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 04 Mar 2005 03:04:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D72U2-0003pe-QB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 21:24:06 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1D72Sj-0003LM-AC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 21:22:45 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1D72SZ-0003Hw-K9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 21:22:41 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D72SZ-0003Dr-GM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 21:22:35 -0500 Original-Received: from [202.37.101.8] (helo=viper.snap.net.nz) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1D71yY-0006nJ-KW; Thu, 03 Mar 2005 20:51:35 -0500 Original-Received: from farnswood.snap.net.nz (p76-tnt1.snap.net.nz [202.124.110.76]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B864835D6; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:51:28 +1300 (NZDT) Original-Received: by farnswood.snap.net.nz (Postfix, from userid 501) id 7502462FBE; Fri, 4 Mar 2005 01:49:41 +0000 (GMT) Original-To: bob@rattlesnake.com In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 22.0.50.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:34163 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:34163 > I gather the documentation contradicts this position. > > No, it doesn't. That was a misunderstanding. > > In Emacs, the approach we use is that all changes are listed in > ChangeLog. That's interesting because the entry below (Types of Log File) that you wrote (RMS) is only recorded in the CVS log. There appear to be many files, that aren't part of the source code, that don't get a ChangeLog entry e.g NEWS, FOR-RELEASE, documentation etc. I see no problem with that, but I find it essential for the source code (C, lisp etc) to understand what has caused a change in Emacs' behaviour, as I'm sure others, who dig deeper into the code, do. > Which ChangeLog? The Emacs CVS offers two ChangeLogs and in > (emacs)Types of Log File > the Emacs manual says > > When you use version control, you can use just the per-file log if > you wish, or you can use both kinds of logs. ... > > So I originally used the smaller, per-file ChangeLog. Miles persuaded > me to add a comment to the larger ChangeLog, which I did. > > Shall I change the documentation as I suggested to: > > emacs/man/files.texi > Types of Log File > > When you use a version control system that provides a per-file > log, you should use @strong{both} the the per-file log and the > more general @file{ChangeLog}. This is because it is inconvenient > or impossible for someone using a different version control system > to access another version control system's per-file log. This > policy is different from the past, when you recorded small changes > in the per-file log only. > > Typically you want to write just one entry for each change. You > can write the entry in @file{ChangeLog}, using the @kbd{C-x 4 a} > command (@pxref{Change Log}), and then copy it to the log buffer > when you check in the change. Or you can write the entry in the > log buffer while checking in the change, using the @kbd{C-x v v} > command, and later use the @kbd{C-x v a} command to copy it to the > more general @file{ChangeLog} (@pxref{Change Logs and VC}). I don't even see why this node is present, let alone why it should be expanded. This manual is meant to about Emacs, not methods of version control/change control. Nick