From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nick Roberts Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Item for TODO? Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:42:20 +1300 Message-ID: <16882.988.683444.182420@farnswood.snap.net.nz> References: <16880.39426.162103.127059@farnswood.snap.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1106382013 3640 80.91.229.6 (22 Jan 2005 08:20:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 08:20:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 22 09:20:06 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CsGV3-0005qH-00 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:20:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CsGhA-0007Ny-17 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 03:32:36 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1CsGdG-0006Oo-HB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 03:28:35 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1CsGd3-0006II-Gc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 03:28:27 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CsGd0-0006Dh-Hl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 03:28:18 -0500 Original-Received: from [202.37.101.8] (helo=viper.snap.net.nz) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CsG4y-0004mO-TK; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 02:53:09 -0500 Original-Received: from farnswood.snap.net.nz (p230-tnt1.snap.net.nz [202.124.110.230]) by viper.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 494A32609E6; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:53:07 +1300 (NZDT) Original-Received: by farnswood.snap.net.nz (Postfix, from userid 501) id 6D080628AD; Sat, 22 Jan 2005 07:42:21 +0000 (GMT) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 6.97 under Emacs 21.2.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:32481 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:32481 > I would like to see some of the toolbar functionality available to > text-only terminals but do not want to do the work. > > Is it a generally desirable feature and can I add it to TODO? My angle is > to improve Emacs capability as a debugger on a text-only terminal. > > I don't see the point. People who use text-only terminals normally > do so because they prefer text commands. Sometimes its because filtering prevents using X (remote connections), sometimes its more convenient/quicker not to start an X server for simple tasks and presumably some architectures don't have systems that support X. > There is no way to display images, so a "tool bar" would have to have > textual names, and then they might as well be in the menu bar. (A > menu bar item doesn't have to lead to a menu. It can execute a > command directly. Using submenus is just the usual practice.) Can you give an example of how this would work on a tty? I can configure a menu-item as a button in X, but if I do the same on a tty it just presents me with a list of completions (of top-level menu items). > Either way, you would have to invoke them with keys. Thats not true. Text-only does not mean "no mouse". The command tmm-menubar-mouse can be invoked by clicking on on the menubar with the mouse. > So why not just bind the keys instead? Since the mouse is generally available on ttys, why should the user be denied the opportunity to use it? Nick