From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eli Zaretskii" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Info menu item bugs Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 06:43:06 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <1659-Fri21Mar2003064306+0200-eliz@elta.co.il> References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1048222186 15152 80.91.224.249 (21 Mar 2003 04:49:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 04:49:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 21 05:49:45 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18wETR-0003wF-00 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 05:49:45 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18wEV0-000403-00 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 05:51:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18wETL-0002dY-0A for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 23:49:39 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18wESw-0002Mp-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 23:49:14 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18wESs-00029c-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 23:49:11 -0500 Original-Received: from aragorn.inter.net.il ([192.114.186.23]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18wESk-0001t0-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 20 Mar 2003 23:49:02 -0500 Original-Received: from zaretsky (adsl-ayalon-pc-130-171.inter.net.il [213.8.130.171]) by aragorn.inter.net.il (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.2.2-GA) with ESMTP id AJK28366; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 06:48:51 +0200 (IST) Original-To: bob@rattlesnake.com X-Mailer: emacs 21.3.50 (via feedmail 8 I) and Blat ver 1.8.9 In-reply-to: (bob@rattlesnake.com) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:12497 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:12497 > Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:15:34 -0500 (EST) > From: "Robert J. Chassell" > > First problem: the only way I found to start Info in its `dir' > directory from the menu bar is to click on the `All Other Manuals > (Info)' subsubentry in the `More Manuals' subentry in the `Help' menu. > This is too far down the hierarchy for a novice. IMHO, an Emacs novice needs a quick way to the Emacs manual, not to the DIR menu. The Emacs manual is on the Help menu. > Fifth problem: After restarting Info, the `Reference' item continues > to be partially blanked out, which indicates correctly that it is > inactive. The correct information is fine, but using Info as I just > did, I cannot find any way to make use of the `Reference' item. As > is, the entry is useless and superfluous. It should be removed. Don't you get a tooltip when you your move the mouse pointer above that inactive menu item, telling you what the menu item does? If so, it is _not_ useless, IMHO: the tooltip teaches you what it would have done if it were active. So I don't think it should be removed.