From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Jose E. Marchesi" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Default Emacs keybindings Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 14:34:03 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <16539.33339.219315.943786@termi.eui.upm.es> References: <20040502211541.GA26227@fencepost> <85y8oa6nwi.fsf@junk.nocrew.org> <20040503083427.GA6360@fencepost> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1083943189 9017 80.91.224.253 (7 May 2004 15:19:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 15:19:49 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Lars Brinkhoff , emacs-devel@gnu.org, "Kim F. Storm" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri May 07 17:19:23 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BM78F-00078u-00 for ; Fri, 07 May 2004 17:19:23 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BM789-0001s6-01 for ; Fri, 07 May 2004 17:19:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BM70W-0006HN-5h for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 07 May 2004 11:11:24 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BM70Q-0006Gl-GZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 May 2004 11:11:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BM6zu-0006Cu-Ab for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 May 2004 11:11:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [138.100.152.2] (helo=fenix.eui.upm.es) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BM6zt-0006Ch-Vy; Fri, 07 May 2004 11:10:46 -0400 Original-Received: from termi.eui.upm.es.gnu.org (zorzal.eui.upm.es [138.100.158.159]) by fenix.eui.upm.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E73B70D1; Fri, 7 May 2004 17:10:45 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: Miles Bader In-Reply-To: <20040503083427.GA6360@fencepost> X-Mailer: VM 7.18 under Emacs 21.3.50.2 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:22903 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:22903 On Mon, May 03, 2004 at 07:53:40AM +0200, Kim F. Storm wrote: > Now I understand -- to use the emacs bindings you have to buy a > special keyboard. How convenient :-| =20 Geez, Kim, it's just a very nice keyboard. =20 To be honest, a standard keyboard isn't really much good for typing= commands at all -- on a standard keyboard =5Fnone=5F of the non-shift modifi= er keys is in a convenient position for the most efficient use of `modeless' edit= or like emacs. =20 None. I think the "normal" ctrl key position is ok, as long as there is another ctrl key on the right of the keyboard. For a C-X keybinding where X is on the right of the keyboard (such as C-p) i use the left ctrl key. On the other hand, for a C-X keybinding where X is on the left of the keyboard (such as C-a) i use the right ctrl key. I find this way very comfortable. So i only find advantages in using capslock as a ctrl key if the right ctrl key is not used (or even not present on the keyboard).=20 Unfortunately, not all keyboards has a right ctrl key. Indeed, i usually use mac machines, so i must remap one of the keys with extrange symbols located on the right of the spacebar to act as a ctrl key. Just my 2 euro cents. --=20 Jos=E9 E. Marchesi=20 http://www.gnu.org GNU No es Unix! http://es.gnu.org GNU Espa=F1a .---------------. | .-[]--. | | [] `>[]-| | BEE GNU/Hurd http://bee.es.gnu.org | `-.[]<-' | =20 .=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F. =20