From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nick Roberts Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: It is time for a feature freeze (it is NOW or never). Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 19:12:36 +0100 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <16533.14869.127534.911979@nick.uklinux.net> References: <87hdvux5uz.fsf@orebokech.com> <87lll6v514.fsf@orebokech.com> <200404100109.KAA03816@etlken.m17n.org> <20040501232151.GA10382@fencepost> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1083521729 25047 80.91.224.253 (2 May 2004 18:15:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 2 May 2004 18:15:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Kenichi Handa , emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, "Kim F. Storm" , Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sun May 02 20:15:23 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BKLUp-0007LO-00 for ; Sun, 02 May 2004 20:15:23 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1BKLUo-0005t7-00 for ; Sun, 02 May 2004 20:15:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BKLTd-00018x-Ra for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sun, 02 May 2004 14:14:09 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BKLTC-00015n-RJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 May 2004 14:13:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.30) id 1BKLSf-0000wc-8X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 May 2004 14:13:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [194.247.51.114] (helo=nick.uklinux.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BKLSe-0000vw-7Z; Sun, 02 May 2004 14:13:08 -0400 Original-Received: by nick.uklinux.net (Postfix, from userid 501) id B75CD75FDE; Sun, 2 May 2004 19:12:37 +0100 (BST) Original-To: Stefan Monnier In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 6.97 under Emacs 21.2.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:22545 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:22545 > >> > > So when do we declare "feature freeze" ? May 1st ? > >> > May 1st sounds very good to me, > >> Too good to be true ? > > Um, as you seem to be adding many of the new features these days, why don't > > you tell us? > > As a perpertrator of "last minute feature addition", I can't complain. > But in any case I think people should from now on concentrate on bug-fixing > (which might include some interface-changes, admittedly). IMHO, any feature freeze is only meaningful if it is accompanied by a branch. Otherwise new features will have no place to go and will quite likely get bundled in with bug-fixes. Also, from the mailing list archives, I see that a year elapsed between the first pretest and the release of Emacs 21.1. So I would like to see a target date for the release so that the "freeze" doesn't drag on indefinitely. Well, one can only hope. Nick