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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:252864 Archived-At: > That is true. There was some kind of "AI group" started in the late > 50s By McCarthy and Minsky, but I don't know to which extent it was a > formal entity. I wanted to simplify things by lumping this project > together with the formal AI lab. I think you're talking about Project MAC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT_Computer_Science_and_Artificial_Intellige= nce_Laboratory#Project_MAC I recall McCarthy - it may have been Minsky, or it may have been both - giving a talk and demo at Cornell in the mid sixties. The main (only?) thing they presented was the ability to use a teletype to log in remotely to a computer at MIT, using the phone lines (modem). The whole timeshare / individual login-with-password thing, and an ensuing human-machine demo dialog with the computer acting more or less like a personal calculator (this was before portable calculators), was looked at as revolutionary. It's possible (likely, I think) that the interaction used Lisp; dunno. They probably intended to showcase not only interactivity and remoteness, but also some idea about AI. What stuck with me, and I think most others, was the remote, time-sharing, individual-use thing. I was a kid at the time.