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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307057 Archived-At: On 19/06/2023 19:59, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 14:57:23 +0300 >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii,emacs-devel@gnu.org >> From: Dmitry Gutov >> >> On 19/06/2023 13:10, Po Lu wrote: >>> At my organization, which uses SVN, each new revision >>> is required to change only one file, and updates to ChangeLog are >>> performed separately after all edits are checked in and the >>> corresponding files are unlocked. This is also the same policy that was >>> used by Emacs development in the CVS days, I think. >> Sounds like your organization uses a fairly antiquated workflow. >> >> Luckily, we're a few steps ahead now in Emacs development. > Was this really an opinion worthy of making public? How is it > supposed to be helpful for a serious discussion to derogate the > participants? I wasn't talking about the participants (who might well all be competent programmers), just about the workflow. But the phrasing was not great, I suppose. Apologies. > The man was asked to describe his use case, so he did > it. It makes no sense to reprimand him for telling us what we asked > to hear. That's not all, though. He expressed a general opinion about what should go into commit messages, and what should go into ChangeLog: > Which is the problem with the ``shortlog'' concept: detailed descriptions of these changes should be placed in ChangeLog, and the VCS should concentrate on tracking revisions to each file.