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* Re: Adding advisory notification for non-ELPA package.el downloads
@ 2017-07-20 12:29 Paul Rankin
  2017-07-20 12:37 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
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  0 siblings, 5 replies; 63+ messages in thread
From: Paul Rankin @ 2017-07-20 12:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: rms; +Cc: emacs-devel

> The goal here is to avoid having packages end up in the situation
> Magit is in now.

I think there has already been plenty of discussion of your
characterisation of Magit as a bad situation as being off-base.

> They get into that situation because developers accept contributions
> without thinking of legal papers.  They get contributions from one
> person, then another, then another 50 people, then another 50.
>
> The way to avoid this is by showing people what the situation is like
> and how they can avoid it.  We need to educate the whole Emacs Lisp
> development community.

All of this is based on the assumption that people *want* to assign
their copyright to FSF. This is not the case. I develop a couple of
packages and I would never assign my copyright. Copyright isn't just
some legal nuisance, to many people it's something pretty sacred. It's a
stamp that says "I made this, I contributed this to the world." The
notion that I should be "reminded" or "educated" that in developing
Emacs packages that my goal should be to assign my copyright to FSF is
beyond insulting.

From my perspective, the only situation that needs attention is the
FSF's position that any code with any real value should be assigned to
the FSF, and that everyone who doesn't do this is making problems.

> Here's an idea that might be better targeted.
>
> The idea is to display a notice when the user edits a file in Emacs
> Lisp mode (other than .emacs).  The code could avoid displaying the
> notice more than once per week -- using a timestamp for the last time
> it was displayed.
>
> To avoid these problems is important.  By comparison, this occasional
> small annoyance is a small matter.

These are only problems from the FSF's perspective. Most other people
don't care, so your plan would just annoy people.



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* Adding advisory notification for non-ELPA package.el downloads
@ 2017-07-08  1:59 John Wiegley
  2017-07-08 10:29 ` Dmitry Gutov
  2017-07-08 14:57 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 63+ messages in thread
From: John Wiegley @ 2017-07-08  1:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel

Richard recently suggested the idea of adding a notification message -- to
remain completely unobtrusive -- that would indicate to users installing
packages from MELPA something along the lines of:

    "We urge the developers of Emacs packages that are in MELPA, or
    that they hope to put in MELPA, to write to emacs-devel@gnu.org
    about signing the legal papers to enable us to include them in
    Emacs or in the Emacs package library."

This message could remain on the screen for a few seconds, or until the user
types something else. The aim is to make people aware of the importance of
this in a gentle way that won't interfere with what they are doing.

First what do people think of such an idea, and second, does it sound like
something anyone would be interesting in adding to package.el, so more people
can learn about how to contribute to ELPA? I have a feeling that a lot of
package authors choose MELPA because the barrier to entry is so low, and they
may not realize how easy it is to get it into Emacs as well.

-- 
John Wiegley                  GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F
http://newartisans.com                          60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2



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2017-07-20 12:29 Adding advisory notification for non-ELPA package.el downloads Paul Rankin
2017-07-20 12:37 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-07-20 13:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-20 13:49   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-07-20 14:17     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-20 14:48       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-07-20 14:57         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-24  2:52       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-20 14:01   ` Paul Rankin
2017-07-20 14:20     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-20 14:36       ` Paul Rankin
2017-07-20 14:47         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-07-20 15:09           ` Paul Rankin
2017-07-20 15:08         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-20 15:58           ` Paul Rankin
2017-07-20 17:56             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-21 11:21               ` Nikolaus Rath
2017-07-20 14:27     ` John Wiegley
2017-07-20 15:19 ` Stephen Berman
2017-07-20 16:19 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-07-24  2:52   ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-24  3:05     ` Radon Rosborough
2017-07-25  1:32       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-20 21:20 ` Richard Stallman
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2017-07-08  1:59 John Wiegley
2017-07-08 10:29 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-07-08 12:57   ` Kaushal Modi
2017-07-08 17:03   ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-08 22:12     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-07-08 22:50       ` Tim Cross
2017-07-10  9:29         ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-13 15:07         ` Jean Louis
2017-07-10  9:29       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-09  0:39     ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-07-10  2:07       ` Chad Brown
2017-07-10  9:27       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-10 13:02         ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-07-11 11:45           ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-11 15:00             ` Yuri Khan
2017-07-11 18:01               ` John Wiegley
2017-07-11 18:37                 ` Yuri Khan
2017-07-11 22:57               ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-12  7:56                 ` Yuri Khan
2017-07-12 16:12                   ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-11 22:57               ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-12 23:12                 ` Nicolas Petton
2017-07-13 12:26                   ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-13 19:12                     ` Nicolas Petton
2017-07-15  1:33                       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-17  8:16                         ` Nicolas Petton
2017-07-24  2:54                           ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-10 15:36         ` Ken Manheimer
2017-07-10 23:32           ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-08 14:57 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-07-09  3:04   ` Yann Hodique
2017-07-10  9:29     ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-10 15:41       ` Ken Manheimer
2017-07-10 23:30         ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-10 16:48       ` Yann Hodique
2017-07-10 20:43   ` Joost Kremers
2017-07-11 22:57     ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-12  0:40       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-12 16:13         ` Richard Stallman

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