From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Mark H. David" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is there a sane way to type Hebrew with nikud with Emacs 25/Mac? Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2016 14:04:42 -0800 Message-ID: <1481061882.3508630.810642177.0B9F18E2@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1481056342.3486002.810530185.08361AFB@webmail.messagingengine.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1481061905 19457 195.159.176.226 (6 Dec 2016 22:05:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 22:05:05 +0000 (UTC) To: David Caldwell , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 06 23:04:57 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cENr7-0003HG-HM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2016 23:04:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35086 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cENr6-0002fX-Mo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2016 17:04:56 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42731) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cENqz-0002fG-Si for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2016 17:04:50 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cENqv-0008QY-S7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2016 17:04:49 -0500 Original-Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.26]:47641) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cENqv-0008QQ-Mw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2016 17:04:45 -0500 Original-Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.nyi.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EB6D207DC; Tue, 6 Dec 2016 17:04:43 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from web1 ([10.202.2.211]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 06 Dec 2016 17:04:43 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=AH rjQimKHzLcdsQL7kq+U8L87Cw=; b=DYnINkWUzLVeoIL7UQgHS/aYUH8mca/tHG VrRphSCzJVTOZFqHDz3G15WuNYgv0IoyngN4Sw/IXJuHufRCiGFLILfI6tJiESny j5zLKuAkiqFc0rfPFnEvNkw6WhNV5ayA8tmzaTt2onDQzogNOe8AAHPa+LDBbbu/ ejmQcd/qs= X-ME-Sender: Original-Received: by mailuser.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id E7E51AA6B9; Tue, 6 Dec 2016 17:04:42 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-16cd6b55 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 66.111.4.26 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:210094 Archived-At: Thanks for info about moving the meta key. How about just the behavior of Emacs that it interprets, e.g., ctrl+a as ct= rl+sin if you happen to be in another keyboard "input source", i.e., Hebrew= . I think there should be a switch to preserve default (US) keyboard for co= ntrol- and meta- (and probably other-) modified keystrokes, and I think thi= s switch should be on by default.=20=20 Also, I'd like to know why it seems to work this "preserve mode" right afte= r you switch input sources but before you type some characters, and then sw= itches to the other "non-preserve mode". ----- Original message ----- From: David Caldwell To: "Mark H. David" , emacs-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Is there a sane way to type Hebrew with nikud with Emacs 25/Ma= c? Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 13:10:36 -0800 On 12/6/16 12:32 PM, Mark H. David wrote: > First of all, it's necessary to at some time have changed the variable > > mac-option-modifier > > to none. That let's you use the Option modifier key. But what that does is makes you not have a META key. How can you use Emacs without a meta key? I cannot really see having to use ESC instead of Meta in this day and age. You might set ns-command-modifier to Meta. The default is Super and maps to standard Mac copy/paste/etc. keys. I do know that many people like that better than option (the command key (=E2=8C=98) is also physically clo= ser to where Alt is on non-mac keyboards, which I think is why it's popular to use for Meta). You can also set left and right modifiers to something different. Maybe that is something that will work in your case. To see the whole list, `M-x customize-group RET ns RET`. -David Email had 1 attachment: + smime.p7s 5k (application/pkcs7-signature)