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From: Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>,
	Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
Cc: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>,
	Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>,
	"emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: C-o
Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2024 11:47:29 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <14611EDD-48F7-4BEB-AACD-EDD8CB815C3A@dancol.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR10MB5488211E6E29BB811C7159FAF3DC2@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>



On July 2, 2024 11:41:55 AM EDT, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote:
>> >>> What do you use it for?
>> > I'm also curious to know how people use `C-o`, which I never ever use.
>
>I wasn't going to chime in on this thread...
>
>My use of `C-o' is, well, peculiar.  I almost
>don't use it.
>
>I keep its default binding, which I never use
>it for.  I use it only to try/test a command
>I want to temporarily bind to a repeatable,
>simple key that won't interfere with bindings
>I really do use.  I do this (fairly often):
>
> M-x global-set-key RET C-o <some command
> I want to use temporarily, perhaps repeatedly
> (by just holding it down)> RET
>
>Yeah, I know, seems a waste of such a simple,
>repeatable key.  But it's precisely the
>uselessness to me of that binding that keeps
>the key free for me mentally.  In effect, I've
>unconsciously tossed it onto the No-Default
>Free List.
>
>Needless to say, I do NOT want its default
>binding to be changed to some command that's
>useful but not repeatable.
>
>I dread this thread, given that it has the
>possibility that Emacs will change the useless
>binding of `C-o' to some command that's useful
>but not repeatable.  (Repeatable keys not at
>the end of a prefix key are indeed rare).


If the default binding for C-o changed, how would your workflow change? Are you imagining we'd bind C-o to some *new* functionality for which we didn't have other bindings, forcing you to forego this functionality, change your habits, or bind the new functionality to some other key yourself?

>
>IOW, it's a bad default binding, but therein
>lies its usefulness: it could be worse.
>
>[ The only reasonable alternative to binding a
>  simple repeatable key to a repeatable command
>  is to bind it as a prefix key.  That's what
>  we've done for keys such as `C-x'.  That's
>  OK.  But to bind a simple repeatable key to a
>  command that, e.g., prompts for something is
>  a mortal sin. Thou Shalt Not Waste. ]
>
>  - Church of Emacs
>
>I was content to let this sleeping dog lie.
>Now that it's awakened, Bonjour les dégats...
>



  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-02 15:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-02 15:41 C-o Drew Adams
2024-07-02 15:47 ` Daniel Colascione [this message]
2024-07-02 17:18   ` C-o Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-07-02 17:52     ` C-o Stefan Monnier
2024-07-02 18:56       ` [External] : C-o Drew Adams
2024-07-02 22:12       ` C-o Daniel Colascione
2024-07-03  1:49         ` C-o Stefan Monnier
2024-07-02 18:27     ` C-o Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-02 16:20 ` C-o Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-08-21 19:10 Proposal: new default bindings for winner and windmove Daniel Colascione
2021-08-22 17:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-21 19:03   ` Stefan Monnier
2024-06-21 20:39     ` Stefan Kangas
2024-06-26 15:48       ` Stefan Monnier
2024-07-01  1:29         ` Stefan Kangas
2024-07-01 10:07           ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-07-01 11:25             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-07-01 21:24               ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-07-01 22:07                 ` Daniel Colascione
2024-07-02  1:00                   ` Po Lu
2024-07-02  3:26                     ` C-o (was: Proposal: new default bindings for winner and windmove) Stefan Monnier
2024-07-02  4:34                       ` C-o Po Lu
2024-07-02  5:59                       ` C-o Gerd Möllmann
2024-07-02  6:23                       ` C-o Visuwesh
2024-07-02 12:51                       ` C-o Dmitry Gutov
2024-07-02 13:06                         ` C-o Po Lu
2024-07-02 13:39                           ` C-o Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-02 14:02                             ` C-o Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-07-03  9:24                             ` C-o Po Lu
2024-07-03 11:33                               ` C-o Eli Zaretskii
2024-07-03 12:15                                 ` C-o Po Lu
2024-07-02 14:02                       ` C-o T.V Raman
2024-07-02 15:36                         ` C-o Alfred M. Szmidt
2024-07-02 22:27                       ` C-o Michael Heerdegen via Emacs development discussions.
2024-07-02 22:44                       ` C-o Jeremy Bryant
2024-07-03 10:07                       ` C-o (was: Proposal: new default bindings for winner and windmove) Per Starbäck
2024-07-03 12:48                         ` C-o Howard Melman
2024-07-03 16:24                           ` C-o Yuri Khan
2024-07-03 16:32                             ` C-o Howard Melman
2024-07-05  4:14                               ` C-o Richard Stallman
2024-07-05  4:28                                 ` C-o Howard Melman
2024-07-03 19:13                           ` C-o Bob Rogers

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