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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:158875 Archived-At: > From: Xue Fuqiao =0A=0A>>=A0=0A>> > I have a (maybe)= better version:=0A>> >=0A>> > This command is obsolete since 24.4; use `= C-x 2' instead=0A>> =0A>> Which command is obsolete?=0A> =0A> The command = you just executed.=0A=0AI think explicitly giving the name of the obsolete = command=0A=0Aand the replacement command would=A0be better. Something=A0sim= ilar=0Ato the format used by=A0`define-obsolete-function-alias'=0A=0A=A0 = =A0=A0`split-window' is an obsolete command=A0(as of 24.4); use `split-wind= ow-below' instead=0A=0A=0Aor maybe=0A=0A=A0 =A0 The command `split-window' = is obsolete (as of 24.4); use=A0`split-window-below'=A0instead=0A=0A=0A=0A>= > Also, `C-x 2' looks more like a key sequence than a command name.=0A>=0A>= Yes.=A0 There are 2 reasons to use `C-x 2' here:=0A=0A>=0A> 1. It is usual= ly too long to display two command names in the echo area;=0A> (I even want= to drop the " since 24.4".)=0A=0A>=0A>=0A>=A02. It is more convenient for = users to execute the command, since they=0A=0AEncountering obsolete command= s should be pretty rare,=0A=0Aso I think a detailed message is more importa= nt than=0Athe=A0convenience=A0aspect.=0A=0APerhaps something like `disable-= command' could be used=0Ainstead of just a message.=0A=0A--=0ARand=0A