From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jean Louis Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Convert README.org to plain text README while installing package Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2022 11:39:18 +0000 Message-ID: <1344A4FF-AC4C-4CBE-89C2-1EB2C9F709B3@gnu.support> References: <87leuca7v7.fsf@disroot.org> <87czfopmsd.fsf@gnu.org> <87h74ztshe.fsf@gmx.de> <871qw31ois.fsf@yahoo.com> <8735gj4ceo.fsf@gnu.org> <87ee038ipt.fsf@gmx.de> <87o7z61v59.fsf@gmail.com> <87ilpbzlq5.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15057"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tim Cross Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 08 17:16:07 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nyxPi-0003fY-Kq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2022 17:16:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36732 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nyxPh-0007aB-GB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2022 11:16:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36424) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nyx9F-0004Ip-1S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2022 10:59:05 -0400 Original-Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:33161) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nyx9D-0006w0-54 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2022 10:59:04 -0400 Original-Received: from [154.230.209.155] ([::ffff:154.230.209.155]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,128bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 0000000000081F4A.0000000062A0B933.00002CC9; Wed, 08 Jun 2022 07:58:58 -0700 In-Reply-To: <87ilpbzlq5.fsf@gmail.com> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -2 X-Spam_score: -0.3 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.3 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=1.592, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:290942 Archived-At: It was not the point if file is readable by computer program named text edi= tor=2E The point is if it is readable for human=2E There are many Emacs users who don't use Org=2E They are not supposed to d= ecipher brackets, properties, links, and lack of authors' sense in writing = Org files in human readable manner=2E This whole subject is related to accessibility, Org files could be accessi= ble and thus well readable if they would be just simple text without any ma= rkup, without headings, but they are practically not so=2E Authors write h= eadings without space to its paragraph, it destroys the original meaning of= the heading, file does not convey the intended idea unless you are Emscd w= izard=2E Difficulties in reading reject users=2E I will give you examples later=2E On June 8, 2022 6:50:24 AM UTC, Tim Cross wrote: > >Jean Louis writes: > >> * Tim Cross [2022-06-06 15:57]: >>> Org files *are* plain text=2E This is one of (perhaps the biggest) >selling >>> points for org mode=2E >> >> We may call it "plain text" and problem is not that we can open Org >> files with any editor as plain text, but in formatting=2E People format >> Org files in such ways that they are not readable, they may not make >> spacing where it would be otherwise required, in other words, plain >> text files do not look nearly as readable as for example RFC text, >> like this one: https://www=2Erfc-editor=2Eorg/rfc/rfc1=2Etxt > >Please give me an example of org mode 'not make space where it would be >otherwise required'=2E Can you provide a single example of org mode >syntax which is not readable in any text editor=2E There are quite a few >projects on Github/Gitlab which have readme=2Eorg files - can you point >to >one which cannot be read with a plain text editor?=20 Jean