From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jeff Clough Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Selection changes Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:02:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1279134179.2135.89.camel@logrus.localdomain> References: <87ocea2ax1.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <1279132758.2135.81.camel@logrus.localdomain> <874og1j3nu.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279134919 19095 80.91.229.12 (14 Jul 2010 19:15:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 19:15:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 14 21:15:18 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZ7QG-0004Gs-Bj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 21:15:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32970 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZ7Eb-00056T-Kr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:03:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=42713 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZ7EU-000560-Ix for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:03:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZ7ET-0005Uv-8O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:03:02 -0400 Original-Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([71.74.56.122]:43530) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZ7ET-0005Ui-6A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:03:01 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=iR3a2x+wy8z+UqYHl7KFtKHYySPA0Tf/DXXAzrkvAHo= c=1 sm=0 a=zNANCjgXmV0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=wN3dDBks/ChO7xvezkoALQ==:17 a=O2KRN8bHAAAA:8 a=uwtTSgYUvPXHYSv64SkA:9 a=sevY5icYpELa_uc9rbIA:7 a=u9EcDty2RkTMDkfSyqWbLTXOUhQA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=-a4hDESKBCwA:10 a=8wIcTF7RsSns6hJ8:21 a=_dDGndcmvTn8AQgO:21 a=wN3dDBks/ChO7xvezkoALQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 74.70.71.134 Original-Received: from [74.70.71.134] ([74.70.71.134:45767] helo=[192.168.1.101]) by hrndva-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 84/2B-17399-3E90E3C4; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 19:03:00 +0000 In-Reply-To: <874og1j3nu.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.2 (2.30.2-1.fc13) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127313 Archived-At: On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 14:53 -0400, Chong Yidong wrote: > Jeff Clough writes: > > > On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 14:08 -0400, Chong Yidong wrote: > >> I've changed the way Emacs interacts with the X clipboard and selection, > >> to bring it in line with how other X applications behave. For most > >> users, the main visible change is that `kill' and `yank' now interact > >> with the clipboard. One advantage of this change is that the > >> Cut/Copy/Paste menu bar items are just the usual C-w/M-w/C-y commands. > > > > Crap. What's the variable I frob again to turn this off so Emacs stays > > away from my clipboard? > > x-select-enable-clipboard Thanks. > > I kill/yank text in Emacs all day and make heavy use of jumping around > > the kill-ring. The clipboard selection is much more ephemeral and > > without such history. I just tend to use kill/yank in a different way > > than copy/paste. > > Nothing stops you from continuing to do this, if you don't care about > the fact that Emacs is overwriting the clipboard selection (most users > won't care since, as you say, its contents are ephemeral). Um, but I *do* care. I don't want Emacs and the clipboard selection to interact at all. I certainly don't want a kill in Emacs (which happens about a thousand times a day) to clobber what's on my clipboard (which I can never get back). Thanks again for the reminder on the variable name. Jeff