From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: [Emacs-diffs] emacs-25 26b56dc: Fix some single quotes in documentation Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 17:52:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <124b0893-9ed5-4532-8ade-619609973117@default> References: <20160314154123.2684.74715@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <56E6E764.9090500@cs.ucla.edu> <89ba6063-e962-7590-39be-c4fb28f394ea@yandex.ru> <56E703D9.8000607@cs.ucla.edu> <56E70D7C.9080709@cs.ucla.edu> <56E7235A.8010305@cs.ucla.edu> <56E757B6.1010905@cs.ucla.edu> <56E8A49C.6050704@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1458089616 3189 80.91.229.3 (16 Mar 2016 00:53:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2016 00:53:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert , Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 16 01:53:24 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1afziE-0003iI-ME for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Mar 2016 01:53:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52325 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1afziD-0006q3-HQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 20:53:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58596) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1afzi0-0006pv-0v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 20:53:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1afzhu-0001x2-B2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 20:53:07 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:48653) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1afzhu-0001wK-2l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Mar 2016 20:53:02 -0400 Original-Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u2G0qvkK021308 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 16 Mar 2016 00:52:57 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2G0qump030991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Wed, 16 Mar 2016 00:52:57 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u2G0qrmX018925; Wed, 16 Mar 2016 00:52:55 GMT In-Reply-To: <56E8A49C.6050704@cs.ucla.edu> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6744.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.81 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201793 Archived-At: > >>> There is plenty of precedent for straight quoting in other text > >>> files in Emacs, as well as in etc/NEWS itself before today's > >>> changes > > > > Is that because you changed `this' into curly quotes >=20 > No, I first changed etc/NEWS to use straight quotes, and switched to > curved quotes only after what I understood to be John's suggestion to > that effect. However, later discussion indicated that straight quotes > were more popular, so I switched back. Were identical straight quotes (') used in NEWS before you used them? I don't think so. Except maybe for the occasional typo. > Although grave quotes are popular Emacs source code they have > never been the only style for all text, In Emacs they have been. Counter-examples? Or did you mean all text anywhere, including outside of Emacs? > and straight quotes (though of course not perfect) are a better > choice for plain text intended for users. There you go again. You think they are a better choice; OK, we got that. > There is longstanding precedent for using straight quotes in some Emacs > news items. It's not just etc/NEWS before the recent round of changes; > for example, the NEWS entry for Emacs 1.4 (in etc/NEWS.1-17), circa > 1985, uses straight quotes for its only quoted string, presumably to > distinguish the quotes from the grave accents elsewhere in the entry. Holy cow! Talk about disingenous. Anyone else bother to check this? Dunno what you mean by "its only quoted string", but I found only the following 5 such occurrences, and these are clearly all _mistakes_, especially when looked at in context: 1. Rmail command '>' goes to the last message. 2. included and letter 'F' had=20 3. the new code letter 'D' which 4. It is like 'f' except 5. The Lisp function 'function' now exists. When you see something like this it's pretty clear that 'F' is a typo: The value should be a string containing `-' followed by letters. The letter `l' had better be included and letter 'F' had better be excluded! I checked quickly, so I'll grant that you might be able to find one or two other occurrences. I counted 5, but let's say there might be as many as 10. Now let's see how many occurrences of `...' there are. I count 345. That's 70 to 1. Or 35 to 1, if we give you the benefit of the doubt. > It shouldn't be a problem for users if NEWS uses straight quotes > from here on out. Yeah, sure. "From here on out." Setting another precedent, are we?