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From: Thomas Lord <lord@emf.net>
To: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, lennart.borgman@gmail.com,
	joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	acm@muc.de, drew.adams@oracle.com, Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Infrastructural complexity.
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 11:05:44 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1248717944.6165.47.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4A6DDB8D.2070601@gmx.at>

On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 18:53 +0200, martin rudalics wrote:

>  > I would say they are all simply "frames".

>  > Perhaps a good name for a frame with a nil
>  > parent is a "primary frame".   One with a
>  > non-nil parent is an "attached frame".

> I'd consider a primary frame an artifact useful for tiling and for
> giving the window manager something with a title, a menubar, and a
> handler for resize requests to play around.  Nothing more.

I think a primary frame should also have the "edit area".
That is, not every Emacs window exists within an "attached
frame" - some exist within primary frames.

That's based on the use cases for these features.
The "edit area" conceptually corresponds to the frame
which represents the entire window system window.

For example, if an elisp programs hides the selected
frame and the selected frame is a control panel, then
just that control panel is hidden.  If the program
hides the frame from the edit area, that should minimize
the window system window and thereby effectively hide
all attached frames (control panels).

-t






  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-07-27 18:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 288+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-12 14:41 Blunderbuss ".dir-locals.el" raises everything in its path!! Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-12 16:39 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-12 18:06   ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-12 18:30     ` David De La Harpe Golden
2009-07-12 21:39       ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-12 22:22         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-13  7:36           ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-13  7:50             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-17  0:18       ` Add file-locals and dir-locals (was: Blunderbuss ".dir-locals.el" raises everything in its path!!) Juri Linkov
2009-07-17  7:57         ` Add file-locals and dir-locals martin rudalics
2009-07-17  9:43           ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-18 13:48             ` martin rudalics
2009-07-18 21:54               ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19 10:38                 ` martin rudalics
2009-07-19 18:12                   ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-20 12:30                     ` Leo
2009-07-22  0:21                       ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-22  3:49                         ` Leo
2009-08-04 23:59                           ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-05  1:57                             ` Leo
2009-08-05 21:52                               ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-05 23:14                                 ` Leo
2009-08-06 20:36                                   ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-07  1:18                                     ` Leo
2009-08-08  8:18                             ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-08-08 11:28                               ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-08 19:31                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-08 20:43                                   ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-08 21:26                                     ` Leo
2009-08-08 21:45                                       ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-08 21:58                                         ` Drew Adams
2009-08-09  3:15                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-09  8:29                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-09  1:21                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-17 15:48         ` David Kastrup
2009-07-17 23:06           ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-12 18:37     ` Blunderbuss ".dir-locals.el" raises everything in its path!! Chong Yidong
2009-07-12 21:21       ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-12 21:33         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-12 21:45           ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-12 21:48             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-13  3:23               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-13  3:51                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-13  5:07             ` tomas
2009-07-13  3:23         ` Giorgos Keramidas
2009-07-13  7:16           ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-13  4:24         ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-13  4:37           ` Miles Bader
2009-07-13  6:22             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-13  8:19               ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-13  8:45                 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-13 13:13                   ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-13 15:05                     ` Miles Bader
2009-07-13  9:18                 ` Ken Raeburn
2009-07-13 10:47                   ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-13 11:42                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-13 15:11                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-13  8:25             ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-13  8:48               ` Miles Bader
2009-07-13  9:25                 ` Chad Brown
2009-07-13 20:03                   ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-13 21:15                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-14  0:44                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-16  0:30                       ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-16 13:53                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-16 20:48                           ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-16 21:11                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-17  3:01                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-17  9:42                               ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-18 21:55                                 ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-13  9:26               ` Ken Raeburn
2009-07-13  2:08       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-07-13  5:09       ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-13  8:41         ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-14 16:22         ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-14 18:26           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-14 20:11           ` Patch: " Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-15  7:55             ` Jan Djärv
2009-07-15 19:00               ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-15 20:20                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-15 20:49                 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-18 12:51               ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-20  9:40                 ` Jan Djärv
2009-07-20 19:43                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-20 21:20                     ` Jan Djärv
2009-07-14  0:32       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-14  6:04         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-14  6:58         ` Jan Djärv
2009-07-14 14:05           ` Davis Herring
2009-07-14 15:13             ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-14 15:45               ` Davis Herring
2009-07-14 19:47                 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-16  0:31                 ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-16 16:43                   ` Drew Adams
2009-07-16 18:38                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-16 18:47                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 20:59                         ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-16 21:19                           ` Drew Adams
2009-07-16 21:29                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 22:00                               ` Drew Adams
2009-07-16 20:09                       ` Infrastructural complexity. [Was: Blunderbuss ".dir-locals.el" raises everything in its path!!] Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-16 20:36                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 20:57                         ` Infrastructural complexity Juri Linkov
2009-07-16 21:28                           ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-16 21:33                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 22:00                               ` Drew Adams
2009-07-16 22:14                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 22:25                                   ` Drew Adams
2009-07-16 22:30                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 22:38                                       ` Drew Adams
2009-07-16 22:43                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 22:49                                   ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-16 22:54                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 23:44                                       ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-17  0:30                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-17  1:18                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-17  1:29                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-17  2:21                                               ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-17  2:24                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-17  2:44                                                   ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-17  2:47                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-17 17:41                                                       ` joakim
2009-07-17 18:46                                                         ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-17 20:13                                                           ` joakim
2009-07-17 23:02                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-17 23:49                                                             ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-18  0:29                                                               ` joakim
2009-07-20  2:38                                                               ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  4:59                                                                 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-20  7:31                                                                   ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-18  0:05                                                             ` joakim
2009-07-18  0:21                                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-18  0:36                                                                 ` Leo
2009-07-18 22:06                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19 13:21                                                                     ` Leo
2009-07-19 15:10                                                                       ` Miles Bader
2009-07-19 20:05                                                                       ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-18  8:18                                                                 ` joakim
2009-07-18 17:11                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-18 22:05                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19  0:07                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-19 18:23                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19 20:18                                                                       ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-19 20:57                                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19 22:27                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  0:00                                                                             ` Drew Adams
2009-07-19 21:56                                                                         ` Mathias Dahl
2009-07-19 22:21                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-19 23:54                                                                             ` Drew Adams
2009-07-20  0:18                                                                               ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-19 23:58                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-20  0:50                                                                               ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-19 23:34                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2009-07-19 21:34                                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-19  4:37                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-19  1:14                                                                 ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-19  1:48                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-19  4:01                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  5:45                                                                       ` 16 (Re: Infrastructural complexity.) Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  6:23                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  9:09                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  6:47                                                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-20  7:28                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  7:34                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-20  7:38                                                                               ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-19 10:38                                                                   ` Infrastructural complexity martin rudalics
2009-07-19 11:12                                                                     ` joakim
2009-07-19 15:08                                                                     ` Miles Bader
2009-07-20  9:32                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-20 14:18                                                                         ` Miles Bader
2009-07-20 15:32                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-20 16:00                                                                             ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-20 16:30                                                                             ` Miles Bader
2009-07-20 19:02                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-20 22:08                                                                                 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-20 22:45                                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-20 23:00                                                                                   ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-21  9:39                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-21 10:28                                                                                     ` Miles Bader
2009-07-21 13:26                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-21 16:13                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-21 17:17                                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-21 17:25                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22 14:34                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-22 14:59                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22 18:25                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-23  9:26                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-23 15:12                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-23 15:24                                                                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-23 17:40                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-23 18:56                                                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-23 19:13                                                                                                           ` joakim
2009-07-23 20:49                                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-24  8:29                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-25  4:55                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-25  8:54                                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-25 14:48                                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-25 17:11                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-26 14:15                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-26 15:13                                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-21 17:06                                                                                       ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-22 10:12                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22 15:32                                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-22 17:07                                                                                             ` Mathias Dahl
2009-07-21 16:59                                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-21 17:25                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-21 18:15                                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-22 10:12                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22 16:28                                                                                             ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-22 18:23                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22 19:04                                                                                                 ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-23  9:24                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-23 18:51                                                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-23 19:17                                                                                                       ` joakim
2009-07-23 19:49                                                                                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-23 20:35                                                                                                           ` joakim
2009-07-24  1:08                                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-24  1:20                                                                                                               ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-24  8:28                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-24 11:21                                                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-24 12:10                                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-24 14:20                                                                                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-24 14:55                                                                                                                   ` AW: " klaus.berndl
2009-07-24 16:09                                                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2009-07-24 18:37                                                                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-25  4:16                                                                                                                       ` AW: " klaus.berndl
2009-07-25  8:06                                                                                                                         ` Miles Bader
2009-07-25 21:13                                                                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-24 16:08                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-24 16:16                                                                                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-24 17:13                                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-25  1:27                                                                                                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-25  8:53                                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-24  8:28                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-24 18:31                                                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-25  8:52                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-25 14:50                                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-25 17:12                                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-26 14:19                                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-26 15:14                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-26 17:18                                                                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-26 17:45                                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-26 18:34                                                                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-27  6:40                                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
     [not found]                                                                                                                             ` <1248710762.6165.28.camel@dell-desktop.example.co! ! m>
2009-07-27 16:06                                                                                                                             ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-27 16:53                                                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-27 17:40                                                                                                                                 ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                                                                                                                                   ` <4A6DEC6!4.10001@gmx.at>
     [not found]                                                                                                                                   ` <4A6DEC6! 4.10001@gmx.at>
     [not found]                                                                                                                                     ` <D86752FEC8404739B257327FE0FE8FE6@us.orac! ! le.com>
2009-07-27 18:05                                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-27 18:40                                                                                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2009-07-28  7:39                                                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-28 15:21                                                                                                                                         ` Drew Adams
2009-07-29  9:06                                                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-27 18:05                                                                                                                                 ` Thomas Lord [this message]
2009-07-28  7:38                                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-28 15:18                                                                                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-29  9:06                                                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-29 19:22                                                                                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-30  9:07                                                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-30 17:01                                                                                                                                             ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-31  9:08                                                                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-31 16:19                                                                                                                                                 ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-31 16:58                                                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-31 17:53                                                                                                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-22 19:05                                                                                                 ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-23  9:24                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-18 13:49                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-16 21:48                             ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-18 13:48                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-18 21:57                                 ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19  0:09                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-19  5:00                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-19 10:38                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-19 13:06                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-19 18:31                                     ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19 21:36                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-19 23:11                                         ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19 23:52                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-20  9:32                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-20 14:22                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-20 18:29                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-19 23:14                                       ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-20  9:33                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22  0:38                                         ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-22  2:24                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-22 10:12                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22 14:36                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-14 18:21           ` Blunderbuss ".dir-locals.el" raises everything in its path!! Stefan Monnier
2009-07-13  0:02     ` Miles Bader

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