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From: Thomas Lord <lord@emf.net>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, cyd@stupidchicken.com, lennart.borgman@gmail.com,
	joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org,
	martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>,
	acm@muc.de, drew.adams@oracle.com, Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Infrastructural complexity.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:17:56 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1248196676.7551.42.camel@dell-desktop.example.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvr5wa9gi7.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 12:13 -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:

> There's really no way for Emacs to request a particular placement: maybe
> when the frame is created,

Is that really true for the use case at hand?

For example, on X11, window system windows can have parents
and applications can control their placement within the
parent.  That's how things like pop-up menus often work.

A "tear-off" is a menu or very similar pop-up that
the user can "reparent" and make persistent on the
screen.  When the user does that, it's generally
speaking by means of a mouse gesture that explicitly
says where the reparented window goes.

I don't see the problem with allowing those pop-ups
to be frames (framelets) that can then be torn off.

-t






  reply	other threads:[~2009-07-21 17:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 288+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-12 14:41 Blunderbuss ".dir-locals.el" raises everything in its path!! Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-12 16:39 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-12 18:06   ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-12 18:30     ` David De La Harpe Golden
2009-07-12 21:39       ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-12 22:22         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-13  7:36           ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-13  7:50             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-17  0:18       ` Add file-locals and dir-locals (was: Blunderbuss ".dir-locals.el" raises everything in its path!!) Juri Linkov
2009-07-17  7:57         ` Add file-locals and dir-locals martin rudalics
2009-07-17  9:43           ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-18 13:48             ` martin rudalics
2009-07-18 21:54               ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19 10:38                 ` martin rudalics
2009-07-19 18:12                   ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-20 12:30                     ` Leo
2009-07-22  0:21                       ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-22  3:49                         ` Leo
2009-08-04 23:59                           ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-05  1:57                             ` Leo
2009-08-05 21:52                               ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-05 23:14                                 ` Leo
2009-08-06 20:36                                   ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-07  1:18                                     ` Leo
2009-08-08  8:18                             ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-08-08 11:28                               ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-08 19:31                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-08-08 20:43                                   ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-08 21:26                                     ` Leo
2009-08-08 21:45                                       ` Juri Linkov
2009-08-08 21:58                                         ` Drew Adams
2009-08-09  3:15                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-08-09  8:29                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-08-09  1:21                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-17 15:48         ` David Kastrup
2009-07-17 23:06           ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-12 18:37     ` Blunderbuss ".dir-locals.el" raises everything in its path!! Chong Yidong
2009-07-12 21:21       ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-12 21:33         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-12 21:45           ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-12 21:48             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-13  3:23               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-13  3:51                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-13  5:07             ` tomas
2009-07-13  3:23         ` Giorgos Keramidas
2009-07-13  7:16           ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-13  4:24         ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-13  4:37           ` Miles Bader
2009-07-13  6:22             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-13  8:19               ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-13  8:45                 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-13 13:13                   ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-13 15:05                     ` Miles Bader
2009-07-13  9:18                 ` Ken Raeburn
2009-07-13 10:47                   ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-13 11:42                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-13 15:11                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-13  8:25             ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-13  8:48               ` Miles Bader
2009-07-13  9:25                 ` Chad Brown
2009-07-13 20:03                   ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-13 21:15                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-14  0:44                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-16  0:30                       ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-16 13:53                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-16 20:48                           ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-16 21:11                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-17  3:01                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-17  9:42                               ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-18 21:55                                 ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-13  9:26               ` Ken Raeburn
2009-07-13  2:08       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2009-07-13  5:09       ` Jason Rumney
2009-07-13  8:41         ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-14 16:22         ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-14 18:26           ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-14 20:11           ` Patch: " Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-15  7:55             ` Jan Djärv
2009-07-15 19:00               ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-15 20:20                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-15 20:49                 ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-18 12:51               ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-20  9:40                 ` Jan Djärv
2009-07-20 19:43                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-20 21:20                     ` Jan Djärv
2009-07-14  0:32       ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-14  6:04         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-07-14  6:58         ` Jan Djärv
2009-07-14 14:05           ` Davis Herring
2009-07-14 15:13             ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-14 15:45               ` Davis Herring
2009-07-14 19:47                 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-16  0:31                 ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-16 16:43                   ` Drew Adams
2009-07-16 18:38                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-16 18:47                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 20:59                         ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-16 21:19                           ` Drew Adams
2009-07-16 21:29                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 22:00                               ` Drew Adams
2009-07-16 20:09                       ` Infrastructural complexity. [Was: Blunderbuss ".dir-locals.el" raises everything in its path!!] Alan Mackenzie
2009-07-16 20:36                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 20:57                         ` Infrastructural complexity Juri Linkov
2009-07-16 21:28                           ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-16 21:33                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 22:00                               ` Drew Adams
2009-07-16 22:14                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 22:25                                   ` Drew Adams
2009-07-16 22:30                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 22:38                                       ` Drew Adams
2009-07-16 22:43                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 22:49                                   ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-16 22:54                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-16 23:44                                       ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-17  0:30                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-17  1:18                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-17  1:29                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-17  2:21                                               ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-17  2:24                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-17  2:44                                                   ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-17  2:47                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-17 17:41                                                       ` joakim
2009-07-17 18:46                                                         ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-17 20:13                                                           ` joakim
2009-07-17 23:02                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-17 23:49                                                             ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-18  0:29                                                               ` joakim
2009-07-20  2:38                                                               ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  4:59                                                                 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-20  7:31                                                                   ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-18  0:05                                                             ` joakim
2009-07-18  0:21                                                               ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-18  0:36                                                                 ` Leo
2009-07-18 22:06                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19 13:21                                                                     ` Leo
2009-07-19 15:10                                                                       ` Miles Bader
2009-07-19 20:05                                                                       ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-18  8:18                                                                 ` joakim
2009-07-18 17:11                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-18 22:05                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19  0:07                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-19 18:23                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19 20:18                                                                       ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-19 20:57                                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19 22:27                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  0:00                                                                             ` Drew Adams
2009-07-19 21:56                                                                         ` Mathias Dahl
2009-07-19 22:21                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-19 23:54                                                                             ` Drew Adams
2009-07-20  0:18                                                                               ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-19 23:58                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-20  0:50                                                                               ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-19 23:34                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2009-07-19 21:34                                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-19  4:37                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-19  1:14                                                                 ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-19  1:48                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-19  4:01                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  5:45                                                                       ` 16 (Re: Infrastructural complexity.) Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  6:23                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  9:09                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  6:47                                                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-20  7:28                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-20  7:34                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-20  7:38                                                                               ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-19 10:38                                                                   ` Infrastructural complexity martin rudalics
2009-07-19 11:12                                                                     ` joakim
2009-07-19 15:08                                                                     ` Miles Bader
2009-07-20  9:32                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-20 14:18                                                                         ` Miles Bader
2009-07-20 15:32                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-20 16:00                                                                             ` Chong Yidong
2009-07-20 16:30                                                                             ` Miles Bader
2009-07-20 19:02                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-20 22:08                                                                                 ` Miles Bader
2009-07-20 22:45                                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-20 23:00                                                                                   ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-21  9:39                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-21 10:28                                                                                     ` Miles Bader
2009-07-21 13:26                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-21 16:13                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-21 17:17                                                                                           ` Thomas Lord [this message]
2009-07-21 17:25                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22 14:34                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-22 14:59                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22 18:25                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-23  9:26                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-23 15:12                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-23 15:24                                                                                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-23 17:40                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-23 18:56                                                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-23 19:13                                                                                                           ` joakim
2009-07-23 20:49                                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-24  8:29                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-25  4:55                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2009-07-25  8:54                                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-25 14:48                                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-25 17:11                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-26 14:15                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-26 15:13                                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-21 17:06                                                                                       ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-22 10:12                                                                                         ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22 15:32                                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-22 17:07                                                                                             ` Mathias Dahl
2009-07-21 16:59                                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-21 17:25                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-21 18:15                                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-22 10:12                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22 16:28                                                                                             ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-22 18:23                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22 19:04                                                                                                 ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-23  9:24                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-23 18:51                                                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-23 19:17                                                                                                       ` joakim
2009-07-23 19:49                                                                                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-23 20:35                                                                                                           ` joakim
2009-07-24  1:08                                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-24  1:20                                                                                                               ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-24  8:28                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-24 11:21                                                                                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-24 12:10                                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-24 14:20                                                                                                                 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-24 14:55                                                                                                                   ` AW: " klaus.berndl
2009-07-24 16:09                                                                                                                     ` martin rudalics
2009-07-24 18:37                                                                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-25  4:16                                                                                                                       ` AW: " klaus.berndl
2009-07-25  8:06                                                                                                                         ` Miles Bader
2009-07-25 21:13                                                                                                                           ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-24 16:08                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-24 16:16                                                                                                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-24 17:13                                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-25  1:27                                                                                                                         ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-25  8:53                                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-24  8:28                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-24 18:31                                                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-25  8:52                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-25 14:50                                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-25 17:12                                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-26 14:19                                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-26 15:14                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-26 17:18                                                                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-26 17:45                                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-26 18:34                                                                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-27  6:40                                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
     [not found]                                                                                                                             ` <1248710762.6165.28.camel@dell-desktop.example.co! ! m>
2009-07-27 16:06                                                                                                                             ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-27 16:53                                                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-27 17:40                                                                                                                                 ` Drew Adams
     [not found]                                                                                                                                   ` <4A6DEC6! 4.10001@gmx.at>
     [not found]                                                                                                                                     ` <D86752FEC8404739B257327FE0FE8FE6@us.orac! ! le.com>
     [not found]                                                                                                                                   ` <4A6DEC6!4.10001@gmx.at>
2009-07-27 18:05                                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-27 18:40                                                                                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2009-07-28  7:39                                                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-28 15:21                                                                                                                                         ` Drew Adams
2009-07-29  9:06                                                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-27 18:05                                                                                                                                 ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-28  7:38                                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-28 15:18                                                                                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-29  9:06                                                                                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-29 19:22                                                                                                                                         ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-30  9:07                                                                                                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-30 17:01                                                                                                                                             ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-31  9:08                                                                                                                                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-31 16:19                                                                                                                                                 ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-31 16:58                                                                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-31 17:53                                                                                                                                                     ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-22 19:05                                                                                                 ` Thomas Lord
2009-07-23  9:24                                                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-18 13:49                                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-16 21:48                             ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-18 13:48                               ` martin rudalics
2009-07-18 21:57                                 ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19  0:09                                   ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-19  5:00                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-19 10:38                                   ` martin rudalics
2009-07-19 13:06                                     ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-19 18:31                                     ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19 21:36                                       ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-19 23:11                                         ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-19 23:52                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-20  9:32                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-20 14:22                                             ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-20 18:29                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-19 23:14                                       ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-20  9:33                                       ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22  0:38                                         ` Juri Linkov
2009-07-22  2:24                                           ` Lennart Borgman
2009-07-22 10:12                                           ` martin rudalics
2009-07-22 14:36                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2009-07-14 18:21           ` Blunderbuss ".dir-locals.el" raises everything in its path!! Stefan Monnier
2009-07-13  0:02     ` Miles Bader

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