From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: JD Smith Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: push and pop Date: 09 Jan 2005 10:53:55 -0700 Message-ID: <1105293235.16765.10.camel@slider> References: <1105132512.26051.75.camel@turtle.as.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1105294312 29220 80.91.229.6 (9 Jan 2005 18:11:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 18:11:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 09 19:11:45 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CnhXV-0002PC-00 for ; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 19:11:45 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cnhiy-0001nB-6i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:23:36 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Cnhi3-0001ay-OF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:22:39 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Cnhhn-0001Sa-Na for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:22:25 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cnhhm-0001NT-T6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 13:22:23 -0500 Original-Received: from [204.127.202.64] (helo=sccrmhc13.comcast.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CnhIY-0001pp-TF; Sun, 09 Jan 2005 12:56:19 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.168.1.102] (pcp08864984pcs.sabrna01.az.comcast.net[69.137.177.24]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <200501091756160160029m8he>; Sun, 9 Jan 2005 17:56:17 +0000 Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:32073 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:32073 On Sat, 2005-01-08 at 08:34, Richard Stallman wrote: > I think the confusion for me and lots of others: many installs (like > Fedora/Red Hat) include site-start stuff that does (or did) a (require > 'cl) somewhere. > > Changing Emacs that way is not a good idea. If people come across > these in the future, would you please complain to the maintainers > of those distros? I should point out that this has since been fixed in recent Fedora releases, which is why I encountered the new behavior in the first place. Is there a technical reason the subr push and pop can't behave like the cl versions? I suspect they're the most commonly used of the cl macros, and it's confusing to have similarly named macros with different behavior. JD