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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:260926 Archived-At: On 15.12.2020 17:33, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Óscar Fuentes writes: > >>> I don't think that's a good argument for having a GUI element that few >>> people like, >> We have no data to support that. > I know you're being funny, but: The only data we have does support that. > I think everyone here can agree that we need both more and better data.