From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Anderson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gud lord! Date: 07 Jun 2003 15:07:47 -0700 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <1055023668.1517.46.camel@lan1> References: <16098.1698.415992.223606@nick.uklinux.net> <200306071612.h57GCJQi010536@rum.cs.yale.edu> <1055004206.1439.12.camel@lan1> <20030607210527.GA20914@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1055023123 23449 80.91.224.249 (7 Jun 2003 21:58:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2003 21:58:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 07 23:58:42 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19Olhy-000665-00 for ; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 23:58:42 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19Om1B-0002Vp-00 for ; Sun, 08 Jun 2003 00:18:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Olj5-00011u-Uo for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 17:59:51 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19Olii-00011Z-AO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 17:59:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19Olih-00011O-5h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 17:59:27 -0400 Original-Received: from pimout2-ext.prodigy.net ([207.115.63.101]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19Olig-00011D-SG; Sat, 07 Jun 2003 17:59:26 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.0.2] (adsl-64-163-139-137.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [64.163.139.137])h57LxP3T104646; Sat, 7 Jun 2003 17:59:25 -0400 Original-To: Miles Bader In-Reply-To: <20030607210527.GA20914@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 (1.0.8-11) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14888 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14888 On Sat, 2003-06-07 at 14:05, Miles Bader wrote: > On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 09:43:25AM -0700, Robert Anderson wrote: > > To be handcuffed by a revision control system which is unable to sanely > > rename a file - in the year 2003 - seems absurd to me. > > Please call back when there's actually a _stable_ and well-supported > alternative; currently neither arch nor subversion are. Define "stable." I've been using arch without data loss for over a year on a code base of over a half a million lines. I'm also curious what you mean by "well supported." I can't think of a free software project in existence that has a more dedicated maintainer than arch does. > CVS may suck rocks in many ways, but changing this is not something to be > done lightly. Certainly not. I wouldn't suggest a wholesale change to any system, not matter how "stable." I would suggest a gateway maintainer for a CVS head "mirror" in an arch archive, with transition to arch happening relatively slowly as people learn the system and its benefits at their own pace. http://arch.fifthvision.net/bin/view/Main/InteroperatingWithCVS There is one legitimate complaint, however: there is no Windows support, and probably won't be anytime soon. Bob