From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephan Stahl Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Idea for compilation mode Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:40:04 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <1054906804.3ee099b461f76@webmail.isogmbh.de> References: <1054900912.3ee082b0b4f97@webmail.isogmbh.de> <20030606143233.7242.JMBARRANQUERO@laley.wke.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054907152 5803 80.91.224.249 (6 Jun 2003 13:45:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:45:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 06 15:45:50 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19OHWh-0001Rv-00 for ; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 15:45:03 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19OHpG-0008EJ-00 for ; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 16:04:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19OHSY-0008NE-Un for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:40:46 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19OHS1-0008M6-JZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:40:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19OHRz-0008K1-7h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:40:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.isogmbh.de ([194.139.105.20] helo=ns2.isogmbh.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19OHRy-0008Hx-C2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:40:10 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 28683 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2003 13:40:04 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (192.168.81.20) by mail.dmz.isogmbh.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2003 13:40:04 -0000 Original-Received: from cleopatra.dmz.isogmbh.de (cleopatra.dmz.isogmbh.de [192.168.81.14]) by webmail.isogmbh.de (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:40:04 +0200 Original-To: Juanma Barranquero In-Reply-To: <20030606143233.7242.JMBARRANQUERO@laley.wke.es> User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14830 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14830 Juanma Barranquero wrote: > Stephan Stahl wrote: > > > To produce ] one would have to type altGr-9. > > I do AltGr +. And I don't find it particularly cumbersome (yes, I > program in C, C++, Perl and other languages where [] are heavily used). I am not sure where + is on a spanish keyboard but i find AtlGr-9 is very hard to hit on a german keyboard. AlrGr is on the right side and 9 too so one would have to completly leave the homerow with the right hand. very bad. Or use two hands in which case you have to find the homerow for two hands.. very very bad. > > It is not possible to type > > C-] (aka ESC) on a german keyboard because it would require both ctrl and > > altGr to be pressed. > > To do C-] I have to type AltGr Right-Ctrl +, in that precise order. And > left ctrl won't do :) I have tried it and you are right thanks! I would have never tried this because normaly i press the modifier with one hand and the key with the other. Then again RightCtrl-AltGr-9 is almost imposible to do when typing fluidly? > > Besides it would be very hard to hit all three keys at once. > > Do you do C-] very often? Well actually that should have been C-[ which i often use when Meta / Alt is not availible when using some bad graphical ssh client. But the same goes for { [ ] } \ ~ which are on 7 8 9... Those are used more often in emacs. C-c C-\ c-backslash-region C-M-\ indent-region M-} dired-next-marked-file M-{ dired-prev-marked-file M-\ delete-horizontal-space C-\ toggle-input-method M-~ not-modified come to mind. Or imagine someone using viper mode. I like C-[ aka ESC much more on an american keyboard layout than ESC on any other keyboard. But on a german keyboard both are not very good IMO. That is just to point out someone who wants to look for better bindings and wants to keep non american keyboards in mind has a very difficult job to do. -- Stephan Stahl