From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stephan Stahl Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Idea for compilation mode Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:01:52 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <1054900912.3ee082b0b4f97@webmail.isogmbh.de> References: <1054626136.3edc5158c76a4@webmail.isogmbh.de> <1054722433.3eddc981f3a4d@webmail.isogmbh.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1054901074 6636 80.91.224.249 (6 Jun 2003 12:04:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 12:04:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 06 14:04:32 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19OFxQ-0001io-00 for ; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 14:04:32 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 19OGFy-00079q-00 for ; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 14:23:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19OFxq-0002rf-TW for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 08:04:58 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19OFvj-00021o-6Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 08:02:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.20) id 19OFvT-0001pa-L9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 08:02:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.isogmbh.de ([194.139.105.20] helo=ns2.isogmbh.de) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.20) id 19OFuw-0001YL-HZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Jun 2003 08:01:58 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 5012 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2003 12:01:52 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (192.168.81.20) by mail.dmz.isogmbh.de with SMTP; 6 Jun 2003 12:01:52 -0000 Original-Received: from cleopatra.dmz.isogmbh.de (cleopatra.dmz.isogmbh.de [192.168.81.14]) by webmail.isogmbh.de (IMP) with HTTP for ; Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:01:52 +0200 Original-To: "dak@gnu.org" , David Kastrup In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 Original-cc: "rms@gnu.org" Original-cc: Miles Bader Original-cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org" X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:14823 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:14823 David Kastrup wrote: > Stephan Stahl writes: > > > If set-goal-column should be on a key maybe C-x , can be used. Thats > > not far away from the old C-x C-n and C-x . which is directly beside > > would be somehow similar in function (set-fill-prefix). I think we > > should stop soon or we'll end up remapping all keys :-). > > Which would not be the worst thing. As I said, it would be a viable > task for the TODO list to go through the existing, historically grown > keymappings with a fine comb, try to compare the probable usefulness > of mappings with their mnemonic characteristics and their awkwardness > (taking non-American keyboard layouts somewhat into mind as well) or Taking non-American keyboard layouts into mind seems like a very complicated thing. I myself use a us-international layout because most others layouts i have tried are horrible to use with applications like emacs or maybe vi. For example the german keyboard has not two alt keys but one alt and one altGr keys. To produce ] one would have to type altGr-9. It is not possible to type C-] (aka ESC) on a german keyboard because it would require both ctrl and altGr to be pressed. At least i never found a keyboard / operating system where it is possible. Besides it would be very hard to hit all three keys at once. I belive most other european keyboard layouts are somewhat similar in that aspect. -- Stephan Stahl