From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Owen Taylor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gtk scrollbar: thumb too short Date: 27 Mar 2003 16:41:30 -0500 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <1048801290.15149.88.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <20030325193739.ZGIN3924.fep01-svc.swip.net@gaffa.gaia.swipnet.se> <1048780121.14517.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200303271630.h2RGU1bT028651@rum.cs.yale.edu> <1048799271.15136.69.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200303272142.PAA27945@eel.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1048801899 24941 80.91.224.249 (27 Mar 2003 21:51:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:51:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier+gnu/emacs@rum.cs.yale.edu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 27 22:51:33 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18yfHZ-0006Ti-00 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:51:33 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18yfJd-0003hc-00 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:53:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18yfGU-0006IP-07 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:50:26 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18yfFt-0005n8-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:49:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18yfFf-0005Jz-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:49:36 -0500 Original-Received: from nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com ([66.187.233.200] helo=lacrosse.corp.redhat.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18yfFc-0005DG-00; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:49:32 -0500 Original-Received: from landau.devel.redhat.com (landau.devel.redhat.com [172.16.56.103])h2RLnUo17211; Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:49:30 -0500 Original-To: Luc Teirlinck In-Reply-To: <200303272142.PAA27945@eel.dms.auburn.edu> X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-0) Original-cc: jan.h.d@swipnet.se Original-cc: rms@gnu.org Original-cc: kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de Original-cc: jody@gnome.org Original-cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:12678 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:12678 On Thu, 2003-03-27 at 16:42, Luc Teirlinck wrote: > Owen Taylor wrote: > > Frankly, I tend to turn off or just not look at the scrollbar because > these same issues make it behave in a confusing manner in general. > (Presumably, if you have a large chunks of hidden text anywhere in > your document, the scrollbar will go whacky.) > > An obvious alternative, assuming no satisfactory solution to your > problem can be found, is: > > ./configure --without-toolkit-scroll-bars > > The native scrollbar does not have the problem. By "go whacky", I didn't mean the problem with dragging off the end, but simply that a character-based scrollbar is going to inherently act in a confusing matter, especially in the presence of invisible text. I tend to suspect that whether the emacs scrollbar is character based does _not_ depend on whether you are using toolkit scrollbars, though I'm not about to recompile it to find out :-) Regards, Owen