From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Colin Walters Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: German tutorial fix Date: 20 May 2002 17:13:33 -0400 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <1021929213.29245.3300.camel@space-ghost> References: <87y9emho8s.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> <200205160722.g4G7M8X18181@aztec.santafe.edu> <3277-Thu16May2002155214+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il> <200205171928.g4HJSdw20390@aztec.santafe.edu> <87znyywagx.fsf@pot.cnuce.cnr.it> <87bsbaj318.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1021929667 30340 127.0.0.1 (20 May 2002 21:21:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 21:21:07 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 179uaZ-0007t9-00 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 23:21:07 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 179uog-00017L-00 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 23:35:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 179uah-0005in-00; Mon, 20 May 2002 17:21:15 -0400 Original-Received: from monk.debian.net ([216.185.54.61] helo=monk.verbum.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 179uZt-0005e4-00 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 17:20:25 -0400 Original-Received: from space-ghost.verbum.private (freedom.cis.ohio-state.edu [164.107.60.183]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (Client CN "space-ghost.verbum.org", Issuer "monk.verbum.org" (verified OK)) by monk.verbum.org (Postfix (Debian/GNU)) with ESMTP id 2DA0274000BA for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 17:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: by space-ghost.verbum.private (Postfix (Debian/GNU), from userid 1000) id 181028359CA; Mon, 20 May 2002 17:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <87bsbaj318.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.3 Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:4208 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:4208 On Mon, 2002-05-20 at 10:40, Mario Lang wrote: > Uhm, thats nice. So it's impossible for me to work well. Nice, good that > I now know this. > > Please stop this thread, it's extremely pointless. I, for my part, use > cursor keys. I use a laptop sized keyboard, so I really don't need > to move my hands that far. And everytime I try to use C-f C-b C-n C-p > it feels like it's much more strain for my left hand. On the other hand, > M-f and M-b and alike are really useful, as they move more than one > char. But having to hit two keys to achieve one movement > feels just wrong to me. So I think we can conclude that > there are different viewpoints, and that there is no single best > solution. Well said. I personally use VIPER, but when I'm in a mode which is in Emacs state, I much prefer using the arrow keys over C-f and friends.