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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:259553 Archived-At: > >> So now a new patch let-binds (minibuffer-completing-file-name t) > >> around completing-read to allow inserting SPC, problem solved: > > > > Please don't, since we're not actually completing file names. > > > > I agree with Drew that we should probably just get rid of the SPC > > binding in minibuffer completions, >=20 > SPC can be an obstacle even in some completion styles > where words are separated by SPC. Please provide an example/recipe. Completion candidates can contain SPC chars. How candidates are displayed has (should have) no bearing on what chars the candidates contain. Candidate separation in *Completions* (for example) is simply for visual/display purposes. There should be no dependence of the display code or the completion code on what chars are used in candidates. > The problem is that there is another self-inserting key that can be > used for text editing: '?' is bound to minibuffer-completion-help. > Maybe then the variable could be named e.g. minibuffer-self-insert? `?', like `SPC', should be self-inserting during completion. There's zero problem doing that. I've been doing it for years. I use `M-?', not `?', for completion help In my case it's `icicle-minibuffer-help', but vanilla Emacs could just bind `minibuffer-completion-help' to `M-?'. Making users use `C-q SPC' each time they want to insert a `SPC' char is ridiculous. Likewise, for `C-q ?' to insert a `?' char.