From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Frequently Enabled Packages - Emacs-24.4 survey (Please participate) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 07:23:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <0fa69156-fdc1-4f59-8784-79d6ca899ec6@default> References: <87bo0x5e5p.fsf@gmail.com> <87a9gbsh9s.fsf@gmail.com> <878uvvwimw.fsf@gmx.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1386516243 25851 80.91.229.3 (8 Dec 2013 15:24:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 15:24:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Michael Albinus , Jambunathan K Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 08 16:24:08 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VpgDG-0007WN-4N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 16:24:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39798 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VpgDF-0005M5-IL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 10:24:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41243) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VpgD4-0005Ky-OP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 10:24:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VpgCu-0000j6-7s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 10:23:54 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:27660) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VpgCu-0000j2-0q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2013 10:23:44 -0500 Original-Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id rB8FNc6V022673 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 8 Dec 2013 15:23:39 GMT Original-Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rB8FNcjo000519 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 8 Dec 2013 15:23:38 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0020.oracle.com (abhmp0020.oracle.com [141.146.116.26]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rB8FNcE1000507; Sun, 8 Dec 2013 15:23:38 GMT In-Reply-To: <878uvvwimw.fsf@gmx.de> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.81 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:166201 Archived-At: > > Exercise judgement in interpreting the results. ;-) > > | Packages/Modes | Upvote / User count | % | > > |---------------------------+---------------------+----| > > | tramp | 11 | 12 | >=20 > Tramp is part of the Emacs distribution, and it is enabled by > `file-name-handler-alist'. Does this figure mean, 11 users are not aware > of? Or does this mean, just 11 of 89 users wish to see Tramp? >=20 > I don't understand this figure. Good question. The instructions say to increment the count for a given feature if you use it. There is no instruction regarding decrementing. But the instructions have been ignored or misinterpreted more than once, so far. My guess would be that in this case 11 people out of those participating are (a) aware of Tramp and (b) wanted to mention that they use it and find it useful. I would *not* assume that those who did not increment the Tramp counter are (c) unaware of it or (d) do not find it useful. Another thing to consider is that the table was empty to start with, and different entries appeared at different points, when someone thought to add them. So, e.g., if the first person happened to add feature `blah' to the list, then subsequent "voters" saw `blah' and considered it. If `floop' was not added until much later (for whatever reason), subsequent voters did not see `floop' until then. It is what it is.