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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:318623 Archived-At: Hi Philip, On 5/2/24 12:09, Philip Kaludercic wrote: > Adam Porter writes: > >> On 5/2/24 01:02, Philip Kaludercic wrote: >>> Adam Porter writes: >>> >>>> Hi Philip, >>>> >>>>> Abstractly: My advice is my advice, it is inherently biased. >>>>> I take that position, because of my experience, which is why >>>>> I refuse to install packages with more than 1-~2 transitive >>>>> dependencies (I was recently once again shocked by "ement"). >>>> >>>> Would you please explain what you mean here? >>> Just that I recently wanted to try out ement, but decided not to >>> do so when I saw the list of dependencies. >> >> I don't understand. There are only a few, and they're all on GNU >> ELPA. Which ones do you object to, and why? > > I am trying to give Amy an example of why to avoid dependencies, > because people like me don't look at > > Requires: emacs-27.1, map-2.1, persist-0.5, plz-0.6, taxy-0.10, > taxy-magit-section-0.13, svg-lib-0.2.5, transient-0.3.7 > > and say it is only a few, if my limit is at 1-2 /transitive/ > dependencies. (In addition to that, you know that I have strong > opinions on Emacs package names and do not what to install a package > called "taxy", even though I know that this is probably just my > opinion). Thanks for explaining your view. Of note, one of those dependencies is Emacs itself, and two others are included with Emacs, i.e. map and transient. That leaves 5 ELPA dependencies: persist is commonly used and works very well (and until multisession is improved a bit further, it seems like a better choice); plz is now a stable, reliable library that's becoming more widely used; svg-lib, by Nicolas Rougier, is very useful for what it does, but it could be made an optional dependency, I suppose. That leaves taxy and taxy-magit-section, which are fundamental to the room list feature and its dynamic, user-programmable grouping. The name "taxy" is short for "taxonomy" (which might seem to imply a biological purpose), or "taxonomical-programmable-grouping" (which would be a bit long). If the name puts you off so much as to not even let it be installed as a dependency, and to explore what functionality it offers (which IMHO is unique and powerful), that is a bit disappointing to hear--if I removed the software with unusual or non-obvious names on my system, we wouldn't be having this conversation--but to each his own. --Adam