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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:245389 Archived-At: > I think, we should unbind SPC from > minibuffer-complete-word everywhere. (I'm not really following this thread. Just happened to notice this suggestion.) I proposed this at least as far back as 2005. And like `SPC', `?' should be self-inserting by default. Icicles has been doing this for 15 years. Icicles uses `M-SPC' (by default) for word completion and `M-?' to show help. Binding `SPC' and `?' to commands (other than for self-insertion) is a holdover from a time when completing minibuffer input was used (by vanilla Emacs) pretty much only for `M-x' and reading file names. In 2005 we (finally!) got `SPC' to self-insert for file names - but only for file names. Isn't it time to let `SPC' and `?' self-insert?