From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Qiantan Hong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Question collaborative editing - torify emacs Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:01:53 +0000 Message-ID: <0F2AD7DE-0797-439E-85F6-B529377417BA@mit.edu> References: <87zh50lhda.fsf@red-bean.com> <20201006173228.GA18043@localhost> <20201020161557.trl2ehuvcqotag4l@Ergus> <20201020185114.GE6994@t400> <3AFE3D85-16AF-460E-B3E6-1EE80223C627@mit.edu> <7276559E-BA94-48B6-8AFA-4DEBE5B9645F@mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A0D433F8-45D7-4338-A1F0-6250F12E850E"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21985"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Ergus , Fermin , Caio Henrique , Noam Postavsky , Emacs developers , Karl Fogel , Stefan Monnier , Eli Zaretskii To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 28 19:04:39 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kXpoM-0005aA-Lc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 19:04:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40310 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kXpoL-0002fY-O7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:04:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35322) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kXpnm-0002Ed-6X for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:04:02 -0400 Original-Received: from outgoing-exchange-3.mit.edu ([18.9.28.13]:56486) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kXpnh-0004Hi-Hz; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:04:01 -0400 Original-Received: from oc11exedge2.exchange.mit.edu (OC11EXEDGE2.EXCHANGE.MIT.EDU [18.9.3.18]) by outgoing-exchange-3.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id 09SI2Fun004069; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:02:19 -0400 Original-Received: from w92expo16.exchange.mit.edu (18.7.74.70) by oc11exedge2.exchange.mit.edu (18.9.3.18) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1293.2; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:01:40 -0400 Original-Received: from oc11expo16.exchange.mit.edu (18.9.4.47) by w92expo16.exchange.mit.edu (18.7.74.70) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1365.1; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:01:53 -0400 Original-Received: from oc11expo16.exchange.mit.edu ([18.9.4.47]) by oc11expo16.exchange.mit.edu ([18.9.4.47]) with mapi id 15.00.1365.000; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:01:53 -0400 Thread-Topic: Question collaborative editing - torify emacs Thread-Index: AQHWrU6sHTjb0XBvF0WpiEf0gicqT6mtkUQA In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [18.18.245.17] Received-SPF: pass client-ip=18.9.28.13; envelope-from=qhong@mit.edu; helo=outgoing-exchange-3.mit.edu X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/28 14:03:52 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Windows 7 (Websense crawler) X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:258545 Archived-At: --Apple-Mail=_A0D433F8-45D7-4338-A1F0-6250F12E850E Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F513F224-610F-4717-8D4F-8689A688B21E" --Apple-Mail=_F513F224-610F-4717-8D4F-8689A688B21E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >=20 > You can try to torify emacs, open up server, tell me the IP address > (other websites will tell it) and I can try to connect. That=E2=80=99s not how tor work. I=E2=80=99m pretty sure this IP will = change, and will not accept connection. What=E2=80=99s supposed to happen is the server starts a Tor hidden = service https://roll.urown.net/server/tor/tor-hidden-service.html = and the client connect to it through the Tor proxy installed on the client machine. 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You can try to torify emacs, open up server, = tell me the IP address
(other websites will tell it) and I = can try to connect.
That=E2=80= =99s not how tor work. I=E2=80=99m pretty sure this IP will change,
and will not accept connection.

What=E2=80=99s supposed to happen is = the server starts a Tor hidden service
https://roll.urown.net/server/tor/tor-hidden-service.html
and the client connect to it through the Tor proxy = installed on the
client machine.
There=E2=80=99s a lot to setup, but if user gives Emacs root = access
it won=E2=80=99t be that hard to write an = Elisp script to automate all these.
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