From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Paul W. Rankin" via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] lisp/bookmark.el: make bookmark-fontify nil by default Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 21:08:48 +1000 Message-ID: <0EA0D44C-0175-4C2F-BFB7-E3187EAC885A@bydasein.com> References: <1df50c0d035675f851387d689030d588@purelymail.com> <87k0nw1qaq.fsf@red-bean.com> <87eee42u69.fsf@tcd.ie> Reply-To: "Paul W. Rankin" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.7\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10718"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Basil L. Contovounesios" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue May 18 13:20:39 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lixm9-0002cP-OY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 18 May 2021 13:20:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51644 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lixm8-0001tV-Lo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 18 May 2021 07:20:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58214) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lixb7-0004YR-D0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 May 2021 07:09:13 -0400 Original-Received: from sendmail.purelymail.com ([34.202.193.197]:33310) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lixb5-0001M5-Dy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 18 May 2021 07:09:13 -0400 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=hd9peEY9tAn1g5bnBxsfi9Dx32mjjG4IqHGwwIOoGAy+DxNVloGtqEPK6NW+w/gmE19iKVhd+A4GD7+4GeuwGpQyhhrIlnflk1FdlMf9c9cQ+5QZseiFv78HceMtRLqjMNEBXG+sUmmhqd9HsBwseHWOL+q8w85PPVU0PGgkxABd9enkWyAm9P5KBYkJi7HWlJN1JA6hIlYQUtHXK9lJbmTfUt8shTYwS7cDUiTNZsNaEeRLQ9QRFof3wYlFJcyO+LmLqOjyFRwfMRkCsI+N5V0x+dq1KMyDYcK2CvIGukM3PyEQ99+QXGneGbnkgPzNxAXgHLaCUd3Hg4AROpQYig==; s=purelymail3; d=bydasein.com; v=1; bh=DMXLcwZ3uNywRMf/2NcW+C5CerXavW9P9gWtscfOLNU=; h=Received:From:To; DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=hY/f3+5Aq3RCGoaAHN5XDYdPr+ZgRAcztBCjgzvTcEP9SkbuPv3Cu4EbUBn4SRxairKcb22whSVUntlAe4IQGvq2gsFSfOxAp0AbYWceqjQe6PM7BmaWTqZuZ32Us+hirVMX0sHsVe9Hf7f694t/EuOCWuj9vIhOPc6eNRcItrv0nqwAJJzRQOng54jelq/5psjRoYn2eGAunp7/NK7VulYLyJljU8h5651eQnr5XtwqhctQqyb00lEpfjEyysgm0jI4ystClbYzY6zkDaU4aP2wQKQEZ4nocXZ1rdVO0NUDfyorr725aMy4RhuSvWSLT0wUtNZnsUT0kDS6I8yJYg==; s=purelymail3; d=purelymail.com; v=1; bh=DMXLcwZ3uNywRMf/2NcW+C5CerXavW9P9gWtscfOLNU=; h=Feedback-ID:Received:From:To; Feedback-ID: 791:353:null:purelymail X-Pm-Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Received: by ip-172-30-0-164.ec2.internal (JAMES SMTP Server ) with ESMTPA ID -648154536; Tue, 18 May 2021 11:08:53 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87eee42u69.fsf@tcd.ie> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.7) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=34.202.193.197; envelope-from=pwr@bydasein.com; helo=sendmail.purelymail.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:269443 Archived-At: On 18 May 2021, at 8:49 pm, Basil L. Contovounesios = wrote: >=20 > The discussion there also raises concerns about some unintended > consequences of the new feature, such as with Org refile/capture[1] or > when overwriting an existing bookmark[2]. >=20 > [1] https://bugs.gnu.org/48179#63 > [2] https://bugs.gnu.org/48179#60 >=20 > So I suggest you chime in there. Yep, those are from where I pulled Eli's quote. There's a lot of = discussion there but only briefly touching on whether this should be nil = by default, where consensus seemed to be nil by default is most = appropriate, but then someone yolo'd it to t anyway. The elephant in the room there that *of course* those with an existing = understanding of the feature don't find it disruptive -- they already = know exactly what's happening! For everyone else it's a WTF moment = (which is now fixed by defaulting to nil; nothing more to see here, move = along folks...).=