From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Reitter Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: describe-bindings: ^L, bad order, naming Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 21:01:09 +0000 Message-ID: <0985E44C-0765-4503-A1BC-964B15DF8003@gmail.com> References: <89DEE8B2-EA6A-4347-A9AB-D1B99C58E725@gmail.com> <87ek5nqepv.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v746.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1131742980 8358 80.91.229.2 (11 Nov 2005 21:03:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 21:03:00 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 11 22:02:58 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eag1W-0007x3-96 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:01:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eag1V-00056i-L6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:01:25 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eag1K-00056T-4c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:01:14 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eag1I-00056F-EC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:01:13 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eag1I-00056C-B1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:01:12 -0500 Original-Received: from [64.233.184.192] (helo=wproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Eag1I-00025g-2C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:01:12 -0500 Original-Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so599152wra for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:01:11 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=ThBUoT9FUfdT6SIMo/ar4g+lMg3u6XOXTjcwZtHXYoxZPwAZZgLb5nxdwMF1XgNjN56gvvw/O1u3qo1ih2WK1ePCR/7NKvKTuBVlQupmzpaZ9EdsMr/PvGfT39ddbL0Y21tVIIsMResWmAxGyX8/zkVePSC2Ay8ytmN6nvdZ9tI= Original-Received: by 10.65.233.8 with SMTP id k8mr2897751qbr; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:01:11 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from ?129.215.174.81? ( [129.215.174.81]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id z21sm2103968qbc.2005.11.11.13.01.10; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 13:01:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87ek5nqepv.fsf@jurta.org> Original-To: Juri Linkov , Emacs-Devel ' X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:45774 Archived-At: On 11 Nov 2005, at 19:35, Juri Linkov wrote: >> describe-bindings separates the different groups with ^L even though >> the text that is output is intended to be human-readable. >> >> Isn't there a nicer way the groups can be separated? > > I use (aset standard-display-table ?\f (vconcat (make-vector 64 ?-) > "^L")) > to display the page delimiter as a horizontal line, and this is > very helpful > not only in the *Help* buffer, but in other places too, including > source code > buffers. This would have global implications, right? The idea with an overlay could easily work locally, and it's prettier as well. >> Couldn't there be a list of all groups in the beginning, with links >> going to the bindings belonging to the group? > > Like in the *Help* buffer created by `C-h m'? Yup. That would be fine. Outline mode, as suggested by Eli, is OK only if it doesn't require people to know some keys in order to even look up the keys.