From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tony Day Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: emacs roadmap Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 12:36:07 +1100 Message-ID: <09655BCF-9C06-4ABC-904A-FCE78028E28C@gmail.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1355801577 23324 80.91.229.3 (18 Dec 2012 03:32:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 03:32:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs devel To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 18 04:33:12 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Tknvb-0004RM-89 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 18 Dec 2012 04:33:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51448 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TknvN-0008Oh-Nd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 22:32:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48484) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tkm6V-0003LQ-GR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 20:36:23 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tkm6P-0000Fy-3U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 20:36:19 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pb0-f51.google.com ([209.85.160.51]:42968) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tkm6O-0000Et-Tk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 20:36:13 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pb0-f51.google.com with SMTP id ro12so39136pbb.38 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 17:36:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=A33jwTePSIZ87PE1pN+3+74AOhhUI4xvqgB2QI5UURk=; b=vBUwD7yQ5yxkoZ9cxU+7T529mTlSY+TFcmtWMVZtQxltah8fnvgnoc1LxifKiQqXb+ Pd6zXMNqiEbwmeokYxUWLfvHkQ3xMSje7s9bn8+oM0cZmQBaaIEJRdY0EsYwNd+THqH/ cRhCqNzguEqjxtkMp762JJJ6CvaSmQex7/BrHs/320tihBwQWHi9u9NvOsI3BVQipECW SG0yqehJl9GpjzDL/RXYFonFnC7Y8dJKd1YSP+yvvuDpnjuGai5XupvT8pqmgU0bPIYk mWYK/k4ll2UgVFNnpVnBKyk+GjZmERXA1Q4Dy1AUi+ZAhLB50Of6Gdui+Ft1mGemICYY 0pEg== X-Received: by 10.68.143.162 with SMTP id sf2mr996009pbb.137.1355794571649; Mon, 17 Dec 2012 17:36:11 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.0.13] (CPE-120-148-228-120.hdqu1.vic.bigpond.net.au. [120.148.228.120]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id nw9sm121720pbb.42.2012.12.17.17.36.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 17 Dec 2012 17:36:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.160.51 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 22:32:55 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:155635 Archived-At: > Lexical closures are supported natively since Emacs-24. Namespaces = are > another beast altogether, and there's not much on the horizon there = either. Ok, so now I understand defvar, lol. Not much use of lexical scoping in = the wild - this was all I could find: = http://github.com/nicferrier/elnode >> - first-class print for functions? >=20 > Not sure what that would be. >=20 ELISP> (defun foo() '(1 2 3)) ELISP> (as-string 'foo) (defun foo() '(1 2 3)) Would be very useful for debugging. >> More generally, when can we get turtles all the way down and enjoy = the >> return of the symbolic machine? >=20 > My experience with Lisp machines has been fairly limited, so I'm not > sure what would be the thing that is most sorely missing. Tounge was slightly in cheek. What annoys me 100 times a day is having = to switch away from the emacs environment to a browser and I was = imagining that the technical difficulties involved in getting a decent = browser rendering might coincide with the point at which C is needed to = get closer to the *nix machine metal. I'm half hoping that things like = guile 2 pushing lisp further down the chain might one day lead to an = emacs os (a personal preference not a recommendation).=20