From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: [External] : Re: POLL: make C-x o transient Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 01:06:10 +0000 Message-ID: <0859919bb5d7c7618f35@heytings.org> References: <2EFBBE54-62F4-4373-82D6-DC8750B648BA@kuaishou.com> <87eei9xb5r.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87sg6m5mjs.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <8735ykc37u.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <938445fec66b0cdb0c4e@heytings.org> <87y2gchcpm.fsf@posteo.net> <5bbae1bd19ade73394fb@heytings.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="1562"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 31 02:07:03 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l61Cg-0000Df-6n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 31 Jan 2021 02:07:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42100 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l61Cf-0002wh-5F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 20:07:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35492) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l61Bx-0002VZ-Ph for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 20:06:17 -0500 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:58918) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l61Bu-0008SO-Db for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Jan 2021 20:06:17 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20210101; t=1612055170; bh=UKoqGH2qPNrg7MmPJtSt4ZyVEu8v+j7gttZ2bO48Jqk=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=cKRn5tsR5xBMK2/GOWSnt7kCAltUd3YA4Vokq2NRwm07QJHFQw5nxp0GGTdnAH9YJ x4YqlP0UH5jIbRL7ZizaBu2zPysiRUJMgMEnS7qCJBKNbTCFftjcYNBz2Xz2ne0S7H 4UOex0ibPgPMFw+jNzaJU0IEuopK+60AayDPGmVOamgwhyWTsaWp3OVp0KdN2GyOBR jDG28uvZtD3P351pzXlaFKZ+BufNjRXS3DLfJmjI9tNMADzHVCQZeBDPfhLPZpQJGe DVIC3jxIih4CqqfqFphukMOU/RNtsfen67+X70hmCD+hkJlYiNMQNENwlqV9dfFMFn Bwx3vEOyNjKAw== In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.142.160.155; envelope-from=gregory@heytings.org; helo=heytings.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:263649 Archived-At: >>> Why is it important to save one keystroke, just to initiate >>> repetition? >>> >>> What's important is to be able to repeat using a simple, single >>> keystroke. But to initiate repetition it's not important to use a >>> single keystroke (IMO). >> >> As I already said twice, it is important because otherwise you cannot >> change the prefix argument between two repetitions, which is a very >> useful (i[f] not necessary) feature for a repeat command. > > Indeed, as you admit, that's _not_ a necessary feature for a repeatable > command. > That's not what I said. Of course it's not a logical necessity, but not having that feature stops users from using the "repeat" command at its full power. > > The _much_ more common use case for a repeatable command is to be able > to use the same prefix arg for each repetition - i.e., pass the prefix > arg at the beginning. > > [...] > > Replacing `C-x z' by `C-=' -- or by any other single key -- gains > nothing (AFAICS). > I understand that you believe that having the possibility to change the argument between two repetitions is useless. But it is in essence what the OP asked: he wanted both other-window _and_ other-window-backward, not just a repeatable other-window. Other examples given in this thread were similar, and IMO show that it would be a very useful feature.