From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: chad Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 12:48:49 -0700 Message-ID: <08584689-59E3-4B42-94B2-BBF8D6EC8D4C@mit.edu> References: <87vc8b39uv.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.3 \(1503\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1364500148 8712 80.91.229.3 (28 Mar 2013 19:49:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 19:49:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org Development" To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 28 20:49:35 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ULIpH-0003VN-LJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 20:49:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34698 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ULIot-0007py-Cc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:49:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:58681) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ULIol-0007i5-Ak for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:49:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ULIog-0004cq-Cj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:48:59 -0400 Original-Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-6.mit.edu ([18.7.68.35]:63604) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ULIog-0004cj-9J; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:48:54 -0400 X-AuditID: 12074423-b7f5b6d000007e03-0c-51549ea5a6d6 Original-Received: from mailhub-auth-1.mit.edu ( [18.9.21.35]) by dmz-mailsec-scanner-6.mit.edu (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id CE.E9.32259.5AE94515; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH-1.MIT.EDU [18.9.28.11]) by mailhub-auth-1.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id r2SJmrVK014137; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:48:53 -0400 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.10] (c-98-247-148-125.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [98.247.148.125]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as yandros@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.12.4) with ESMTP id r2SJmokx018337 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 28 Mar 2013 15:48:52 -0400 In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1503) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrMIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixCmqrLt0XkigQdtva4vHC56wWkxZspXd gcmjbZpZAGMUl01Kak5mWWqRvl0CV8akl8sZC5ZzV/w/c56xgXEaZxcjJ4eEgInE1JlrmCBs MYkL99azdTFycQgJ7GOUmP5yBSuEs5FR4uLjZ1DOcSaJn1PfsoG0MAtoSdz49xKsnVdAT+La t6/sILawgL9EU8sboDgHB5uADNBYDZAwp4CRxNST1xhBbBYBVYkNh15CjbGW+NkGM1JeYvvb OcwQI60kdh7qYIHY+4hR4s6ffrBdIgL8Eg/X/WaEOFtW4vXzNywTGAVnITlpFpKTZiGZu4CR eRWjbEpulW5uYmZOcWqybnFyYl5eapGumV5uZoleakrpJkZQ2LK7KO9g/HNQ6RCjAAejEg/v jIiQQCHWxLLiytxDjJIcTEqivJFzgUJ8SfkplRmJxRnxRaU5qcWHGCU4mJVEeNmmA+V4UxIr q1KL8mFS0hwsSuK811Ju+gsJpCeWpGanphakFsFkZTg4lCR4M0GGChalpqdWpGXmlCCkmTg4 QYbzAA3fClLDW1yQmFucmQ6RP8WoKCXO6w+SEABJZJTmwfXC0sorRnGgV4R5e0GqeIApCa77 FdBgJqDBy78GgwwuSURISTUwSswV/l4SzR9yrdQyw4klxKs5bZrCh/epi9c/eM25r0dFuNnX JLG7Umbd9iseFueWPdh6yyNwyWWBaZcF2EPO/69fuv24xiknracH+mo2Bt/kf/eJedXj90cV FSfc+fh4+zv5YykzF62/uYTHT3PV35TLAveNpc8xrbt9JjiD6e3rwrJFoq1PYpVY X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 18.7.68.35 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:158377 Archived-At: For whatever reason, these bugs are no longer found by launchpad's search function (for me, at least - launchpad suffered several `temporary errors' while I tried to find these). There is, as far as I know, no way to look at these without using a web browser. The bug in question is 18 months old: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/830947 It was re-reported by emacs developers more than a year ago: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bzr/+bug/937101 Almost exactly a year ago, the bazaar people downgraded the bug importance from `High' to `Low'. Multiple requests from Chong Yidong since then have gone unanswered. In the interest of helping you determine if the project as a whole is actively maintained or not, it's worth pointing out the current announcement from the bazaar team: https://launchpad.net/bzr/+announcement/10362 "2.6.0 is planned to be released in August 2012." Looking at the branch of bzr marked as "the current focus of development", there are 66 branches proposed for merging (i.e. there's lots of patches waiting to be examined and either rejected or accepted). There is exactly one change to the current dev tree this year, that makes their test suite work with last October's Ubuntu release. The most recent change that looks (to my non-expert eyes) to be an actual code change is ~6 months old. https://code.launchpad.net/~bzr-pqm/bzr/bzr.dev I hope that helps. ~Chad