From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Carsten Dominik Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: recent changes to org files Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:06:29 +0200 Message-ID: <06651AC0-9C5D-4BB6-8B33-352B9C8B5A16@gmail.com> References: <8D11CC21-71C6-4BCE-ACBC-090E429E311A@science.uva.nl> <86k5pe6t4e.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <1100BA17-7426-4C73-9EF0-FF90C1859B47@gmail.com> <86bqaq6pza.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <863aw26nye.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1193141229 7909 80.91.229.12 (23 Oct 2007 12:07:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:07:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: John Wiegley , Stefan Monnier , Glenn Morris , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 23 14:07:09 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IkIXN-0002WW-Kp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:07:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IkIXF-0003Tx-ST for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:07:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IkIWv-0003EJ-RZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:06:41 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IkIWu-0003CA-2T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:06:41 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IkIWt-0003Bs-UV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:06:39 -0400 Original-Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.170]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IkIWs-0002Cx-PT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:06:39 -0400 Original-Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id a2so119501ugf for ; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 05:06:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; bh=QX7Gwlmd6cs6cLCHSf2yvjxsHTnmVsC9h1VWXmPsRrM=; b=ARrR1hsMc9wfVhuDHn2hVOOXDVrkJq4cQUOOhiYa2J9la8vCkTQzMwzAtUyHJjUN7IG7Yjz7J9lq1cnB6+i7K/MGn8n7/p7880Psn2R9DkFJqXlPunJcTj2rDWbL9nKQaTkLXcEQ5WSs5xaYrEhWUeBdhFzyry0li6Ig94ormFQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:message-id:cc:content-transfer-encoding:from:subject:date:to:x-mailer; b=K43eRDQ1LYjlgrRrMUOLJlRBtLKGmb9D3C0NNZPPfk2F0UG7i08jyVGaJJ/IJGZxOxq4EKejMeTk70qPdIk7SdPGLH0IFqeC1wcZTLrXBydgOn/oChtLn3PaOKy65xmm9jGN6Q0FIxJgHHud+e6e4/gIDHyQUdSkfi+JN1KJozE= Original-Received: by 10.66.221.6 with SMTP id t6mr768903ugg.1193141193425; Tue, 23 Oct 2007 05:06:33 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from ?146.50.22.167? ( [146.50.22.167]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u1sm1487636uge.2007.10.23.05.06.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 23 Oct 2007 05:06:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <863aw26nye.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:81558 Archived-At: On Oct 23, 2007, at 1:59 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > Your words don't match your proposed way of working. Emacs > maintainance quite often means bulk changes: new interfaces and > semantics are introduced, and things like the multitty changes and the > unicode changes necessitate global work (as do added bytecompiler > warnings). It is not feasible to do the update work only after > figuring out prospective maintainers for every file. The only hope to > get things like this done is to do the changes and let the maintainers > check for them. And merge time is certainly an important point of > time for checking it (though regularly checking for diffs in that area > is not amiss either for a maintainer actually interested in his code). > > If your workflow does not permit fixes to be applied to Emacs CVS, the > only sane solution short of adjusting your workflow is to remove > org-mode from Emacs CVS. Only in that manner can it be assured that > bug fixes and interface changes and other things can actually persist. Well, don't turn my words in my mouth. I believe so far I have been constructive in this discussion and so have you. Let's keep it that way. -- Carsten