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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250980 Archived-At: On 19.05.2020 18:20, Stefan Kangas wrote: > Dmitry Gutov writes: > >> It's not like it's "not doing the job", or that Finder became worse now, >> 3 decades after it was created (I just looked up its development history). >> >> The new alternative simply has more traction. It's basic usability: once >> the user learns that they can install packages to add extra Emacs >> functionality, they will look for more packages if they need something else. >> >> And the notion of package repositories is everywhere in the software >> world these days. > > Maybe we should work on making `list-packages' better instead? For > example, it could support package categories much like finder does, or > it could do more to make built-in packages visible. But it does have similar features: it can filter by categories ('/ k'), for instance. And they're based on the same underlying library. Some built-in packages show up in there too (woman, viper, epg). I don't think it would make sense for 'list-packages' to start with a categories list, however.