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From: Sebastian Wiesner <swiesner@lunaryorn.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Should the default value of url-user-agent include a version number? What about the specific case of package.el?
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2016 22:08:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <05663DCE-3E5B-41E2-8657-460B2D013B49@lunaryorn.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvshzffwix.fsf-monnier+gmane.emacs.devel@gnu.org>

Am 24.03.2016 um 21:36 schrieb Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>:
> 
>>>> (Stefan, for example, your emails are tagged with "Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13)
>>>> Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux)").  Has there been complaints about Gnus
>>>> doing that?
>>> I never liked it, but admittedly, I never complained about it.
>> May I ask why you do not like this behaviour? What stands against it?
> 
> That's just a leak of private information.

I must admit that I find it hard to agree.  I do not see how the OS, or the Emacs version, or 
the combination of both could be used to identify you as a person.  But if the can't, why
would you consider this information private?  And even if it could, doesn't it pale beside
the information that is necessarily send to the archive (e.g. your IP, a partial list of
the packages you're using, etc.)?

I think that our desire as package maintainers to learn how and where their packages are
used is legitimate.  It helps us to direct our efforts and our time to those enviroments
that matter and to make informed choices about what degree of backwards compatibility we
should offer.  In the absence of any concrete risk, I tend to value our desire higher 
than the interest of users to keep data private that can only be used for anonymous usage 
statistics.

Now, I understand that I'm biased, and that your priorities may be fundamentally different
from mine.  But I believe that the availability of some halfway solid statistics would
improve our ability to make informed decisions about our packages.


  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-24 21:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-24 17:22 Should the default value of url-user-agent include a version number? What about the specific case of package.el? Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-03-24 19:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-24 20:22   ` Sebastian Wiesner
2016-03-24 20:36     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-24 21:08       ` Sebastian Wiesner [this message]
2016-03-24 21:27         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-24 21:33           ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-04-03 23:29         ` John Wiegley
2016-04-04 14:26           ` Richard Stallman
2016-04-04 14:57             ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-04-05 14:53               ` Richard Stallman
2016-04-05 15:20                 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-04-05 15:38                   ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-04-05 23:56                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-04-06  6:37                     ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-04-06 22:23                       ` Richard Stallman
2016-04-07  8:17                         ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-04-07 21:15                           ` Richard Stallman
2016-03-24 20:42   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-24 20:47     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-24 21:02       ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-03-24 21:02     ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-03-24 20:50   ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-03-24 23:17 ` Steve Purcell
2016-04-10  5:10   ` Vibhav Pant
2016-04-10 19:01     ` Richard Stallman
2016-04-10 20:36       ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-04-11 23:01         ` Richard Stallman

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