From: David Reitter <david.reitter@gmail.com>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: please make line-move-visual nil
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 22:32:05 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <04DBCF84-74AA-4349-A891-9961E3F2779E@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2A3A0621C3974D8A8BD4F58FFD63C61D@us.oracle.com>
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On May 24, 2009, at 8:52 PM, Drew Adams wrote:
> Most buffers in Emacs are code buffers or formatted text, with non-
> proportional
> fonts and hard-returns (newlines) as line separators. For _at least_
> those
> contexts, we should keep the normal behavior. The traditional line
> movement fits
> well with lines as they are defined in those contexts. Lines defined
> by newlines
> fit well with newline-oriented movement.
Much of my stuff is actually done in variable-width fonts (LaTeX
editing, for instance). Using fixed-width fonts even for code is not
a must - if it wasn't for weak indentation (tabs, etc.) and perhaps
the clickability of narrow glyphs such as curly brackets, I would
actually prefer a variable-width font for code as well.
>> I can see where you're coming from, though.
>
> Even though you didn't notice the reasons I gave? ;-) Good. Maybe
> you sense the
> reasons yourself?
I know fairly well by now how a lot of the developers (and certainly a
share of the users) work. And as RMS pointed out in a related thread
some time ago, much of the GNU tool set is based on line-by-line
processing.
>> Note that I have bound C-n/p to non-visual movement in Aquamacs,
>> while arrow keys are visual.
>
> Why would you even want non-visual movement? ;-) What's the use case/
> reason? Let
> me guess... code? formatted buffers? most Emacs buffers?
Yes, code and formatted buffers. But even there I wouldn't want it
all the time - just in some situations.
Correspondence of the commands with what is most directly inferable
from the observable state (i.e. visual interface!) is essential - more
so than corresponding with some underlying format, i.e. the file format.
> When I write a paragraph in this mail client (Outlook), there is no
> auto-fill or
> anything that chops the text by inserting newlines. Visual line
> movement might
> be appropriate here (and that's in fact the line movement I have).
I believe that Auto-fill is a thing of the past. The new word-wrap is
the way to go for non-code.
Here's why:
> When you read this plain-text mail, it will have had newlines
> inserted (for
> better or, more likely, for worse),
For worse, because the text only occupies 50% of the window I use to
display your message.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-05-25 2:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-01-24 12:30 please make line-move-visual nil Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-13 13:35 ` garyo
2009-05-13 23:59 ` Deniz Dogan
2009-05-14 0:06 ` garyo
2009-05-14 8:51 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-05-14 9:37 ` Antoine Levitt
2009-05-15 3:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-15 4:22 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-17 6:29 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-14 11:29 ` garyo
2009-05-14 15:37 ` Teemu Likonen
2009-05-15 2:45 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-15 14:31 ` Davis Herring
2009-05-17 6:29 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-17 10:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-17 20:28 ` Davis Herring
2009-05-24 22:33 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-24 23:18 ` Bastien
2009-05-24 23:18 ` Leo
2009-05-24 23:50 ` Chong Yidong
2009-05-24 23:58 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-25 8:05 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-25 0:53 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 1:03 ` Chong Yidong
2009-05-25 1:59 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 13:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 17:51 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 2:32 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-25 3:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25 4:16 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-25 8:34 ` Bastien
2009-05-25 20:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25 20:46 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-27 12:48 ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2009-05-27 12:51 ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2009-05-31 11:45 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-31 12:08 ` Andreas Schwab
2009-05-31 17:00 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-31 22:29 ` Bob Rogers
2009-06-01 2:33 ` Miles Bader
2009-06-01 9:22 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 9:54 ` Miles Bader
2009-06-01 9:59 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-05 22:13 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2009-05-31 13:09 ` Deniz Dogan
2009-06-01 2:39 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-31 21:19 ` Chong Yidong
2009-06-01 7:24 ` Mathias Megyei
2009-06-01 13:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 14:36 ` T.V. Raman
2009-06-01 16:20 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 17:56 ` Chong Yidong
2009-06-01 18:26 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 20:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 21:00 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 21:25 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 21:33 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 21:56 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 22:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 22:52 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 23:12 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-06-01 23:57 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-01 23:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-06-01 23:23 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-02 15:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-06-12 17:16 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-12 21:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-13 0:19 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-14 20:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-06-01 23:18 ` Drew Adams
2009-06-02 1:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 8:18 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 20:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25 21:06 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 21:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25 2:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2009-05-25 8:10 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-26 3:48 ` Chong Yidong
2009-05-24 23:53 ` David Reitter
2009-05-25 0:03 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-25 0:52 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 2:32 ` David Reitter [this message]
2009-05-25 8:35 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 2:26 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-25 2:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 4:16 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-25 8:16 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-25 9:29 ` Ulrich Mueller
2009-05-25 10:16 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-26 0:13 ` Richard M Stallman
2009-05-28 10:38 ` David Kastrup
2009-05-28 11:23 ` Bastien
2009-05-28 13:38 ` Werner LEMBERG
2009-05-29 4:39 ` rms
2009-05-26 9:52 ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-05-26 12:08 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-26 12:36 ` Rupert Swarbrick
2009-05-26 20:12 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2009-05-25 8:17 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 13:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 17:51 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-25 21:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-25 21:26 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-26 6:56 ` Tassilo Horn
2009-05-26 11:37 ` Deniz Dogan
2009-05-26 12:24 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-26 12:42 ` David Reitter
[not found] ` <m3hbz8c9qy.fsf@verona.se>
2009-05-26 12:58 ` David Reitter
2009-05-26 12:42 ` joakim
2009-05-26 13:54 ` Jason Rumney
2009-05-26 20:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2009-05-27 2:50 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-26 16:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2009-05-26 19:17 ` Tobias C. Rittweiler
2009-05-14 17:14 ` Bob Nnamtrop
2009-05-14 16:00 ` Shaun Johnson
2009-05-14 16:20 ` David Reitter
2009-05-14 18:17 ` Alan Mackenzie
2009-05-15 5:32 ` David Reitter
2009-05-15 7:18 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-15 7:40 ` Stephen Berman
2009-05-15 7:58 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-15 14:14 ` Drew Adams
2009-05-15 14:21 ` Stephen Berman
2009-05-15 14:27 ` Miles Bader
2009-05-16 6:13 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2009-05-17 3:53 ` Stefan Monnier
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