From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Jean-Christophe Helary Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 01:43:17 +0900 Message-ID: <0411877B-BC59-443C-98C9-BA336D3F3D1B@traduction-libre.org> References: <863691n4xl.wl-me@enzu.ru> <87imhw431x.fsf@yahoo.com> <87mu78huhx.fsf_-_@yahoo.com> <87k12bdgx7.fsf@yahoo.com> <87a736wyed.fsf@yahoo.com> <2F7AD0CB-FF83-4244-BD77-7E0460A77762@icloud.com> <87wo6a7abj.fsf@yahoo.com> <87o8rlbnic.fsf@yahoo.com> <45098d13-2770-4a19-6f82-b22276eb51c8@yandex.ru> <86imhqd6oi.wl-me@enzu.ru> <83o8rickso.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="93224"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: Emacs developers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 27 18:44:15 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jT6re-000O8A-4b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 18:44:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55222 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jT6rd-0002xu-63 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 12:44:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50552) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jT6r0-0002GW-6s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 12:43:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jT6qs-0004Pf-CM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 12:43:33 -0400 Original-Received: from relay9-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.199]:50079) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jT6qr-0004HS-MO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 12:43:26 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 128.53.235.90 Original-Received: from [10.0.1.13] (pl12634.ag0304.nttpc.ne.jp [128.53.235.90]) (Authenticated sender: jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org) by relay9-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4DB40FF80E for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 16:43:21 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.199; envelope-from=jean.christophe.helary@traduction-libre.org; helo=relay9-d.mail.gandi.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/04/27 12:43:23 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 217.70.183.199 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247946 Archived-At: > On Apr 28, 2020, at 1:09, Arthur Miller = wrote: >=20 > Eli Zaretskii writes: >=20 >>> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2020 00:04:13 -0700 >>> From: Ahmed Khanzada >>> Cc: Po Lu , >>> S=C3=A9bastien Gendre , >>> =EC=A1=B0=EC=84=B1=EB=B9=88 , >>> Emacs developers >>>=20 >>> Let's say tomorrow Emacs is like VS Code running Emacs Lisp in a = Guile >>> VM. Is the idea that if we compete in the same modes as the = modernist >>> editors, we can steal enough people from them that we will advance = the >>> cause of free software? >>=20 >> More users generally means more contributors, more future developers, >> and better Emacs. And yes, it advances the cause of Free Software, >> like any other free package that attracts users. > Definitely! Users are important. >=20 > There is an interesting interviw/article in Linux Format from January > this year with Ton Roosendaal, the creator of 3D modelling/animation > package Blender. Blender went form relatively non-popular 3D = application > on the verge of extinction to become a multimillion industry accepted > application. He touches on tradeoffs Blender made between "old wyas" = and > more accepted "modern standards" and importance to appeal to "masses". > In sense it touches on similar questions as Emacs is faced with, so it > might be an interesting read. Just as a side note ...=20 The article is here: https://download.blender.org/documentation/pdf/LXF204.feat_3d.5cjt.pdf Jean-Christophe Helary ----------------------------------------------- http://mac4translators.blogspot.com @brandelune