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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307061 Archived-At: On Mon, 2023-06-19 at 21:50 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: David Masterson > > Cc: Konstantin Kharlamov ,=C2=A0 arne_bab@web.de, > > =C2=A0 ams@gnu.org,=C2=A0 luangruo@yahoo.com,=C2=A0 philipk@posteo.net, > > =C2=A0 emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 11:07:07 -0700 > >=20 > > Would you say that Emacs still has development practices from the > > 80s/90s that, given the chance and newer toolsets, you could see being > > done differently and better? >=20 > What are "development practices from the 80s/90s"? I would abstain from answering this question, because this will turn into a completely useless flamewar. > > It's okay to say that what Emacs has now is working well for the curren= t > > developers, but is difficult for on-boarding new developers that want t= o > > start out simple before graduating into Emacs internals. >=20 > Practical suggestions for changes that would make it easier are > welcome, but they must not make the lives of the current developers > significantly harder. For starters I would be happy if at least the section about submitting patc= hes was reformatted into two sections. My last email explaining that no informa= tion will be lost in such reformat=C2=B9 was unanswered, so I don't know what is= the current state of this discussion. 1: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2023-06/msg00506.html