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From: "Paul W. Rankin" via "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: declare function/macro private
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 22:43:25 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <030ED6D5-BC78-4992-90C5-9EC18221F0DE@bydasein.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r1hftj2t.fsf@gnus.org>


> On 6 Jun 2021, at 7:53 pm, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
> 
> "Paul W. Rankin" via "Emacs development discussions."
> <emacs-devel@gnu.org> writes:
> 
>> Given we have a function/macro declare interactive-only property,
>> would it be worthwhile to consider a `private' property?
>> 
>> Of course there's already the convention of
>> prefix--my-private-function, but my thinking here is that a program
>> could declare a function/macro as private, then the compiler could
>> signal a warning/error if that function appeared in a library outside
>> the library it was defined and declared private.
> 
> The compiler could do this with "--" symbols if we wanted to, I guess.  
> 
>> e.g. in foo.el:
>> 
>> (defun foo-private ()
>>  (declare (private "use `foo-public' instead."))
>>  ...)
> 
> I'm not necessarily against this or anything, but I do like the "--"
> convention, because it makes it very explicit what's internal and what's
> not.  On the other hand, if we had tagging like this, we could also
> make (say) font-lock react to this information and make it as obvious as
> the "--" convention.

Ah cool, I didn't think of font-lock, but that would be great if a function declared as internal appears outside of its program then it gets highlighted in font-lock-warning-face. Then the curious programmer calls `C-h f' on it and the help buffer could show e.g.

  This function is internal to <library> and should not be used
  in other lisp programs. Use <other-function> instead.

The "--" convention is fine and I wouldn't suggest to change/replace this; it's clear to people what it means once they've learnt what the convention means.

I think requiring a program to explicitly declare something as internal will cause less trouble than adding a kind of compiler heuristic for "--" symbol names because there are likely plenty of those where people have used the name with the perspective that it's just a hint and doesn't actually do anything. e.g. `imenu--index-alist' is supposedly internal but any elisp program hooking into Imenu needs to use this variable.

Also I just dislike computer heuristics.

I'll revise the initial suggestion from `private' to `internal' since that's more the Emacs lexicon, i.e.

  (declare (internal t))
  (declare (internal "use `other-function' instead."))


  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-06 12:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-06  4:27 declare function/macro private Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-06-06  7:09 ` Omar Polo
2021-06-06  7:18   ` Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-06-06  9:53 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-06-06 12:43   ` Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions. [this message]
2021-06-08  9:43     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-06-08 17:26       ` Robin Tarsiger
2021-06-06 18:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-06-06 18:12   ` Tassilo Horn
2021-06-06 20:12     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-06-07  0:51       ` Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-06-07  1:37         ` Arthur Miller
2021-06-07  1:43           ` Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-06-07 13:38             ` Arthur Miller
2021-06-07  0:59   ` Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-06-07  2:54     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-06-07 18:24       ` Arthur Miller
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-06-07  3:35 Boruch Baum
2021-06-07  4:49 ` Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-06-07  5:59   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-06-07  6:45     ` Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-06-07 12:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-06-08  1:14   ` Boruch Baum
2021-06-08  4:20     ` Arthur Miller
2021-06-08  5:49       ` tomas
2021-06-08 15:46     ` Stefan Monnier

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