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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273359 Archived-At: ------USUFX7TR6SLAL9R1BJQQZMFQOWCM84 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually, it is more scalable and optimal to invest time implementing lsp = and tree-sitteer building support because supporting more external package= s and modes one by one for languages that maybe won't be popular after some= years, so they will become unmaintained and unremovable from vanilla=2E Mo= st of the code in the programming modes (and performance penalty) is actua= lly dedicated to syntax highlight, indentation, and code navigation=2E Some= thing that tree-sitee will do better and faster in most cases=2E Then langu= age specific modes could add just some extra specific details=2E=2E=2E And = we can invest then our time improving, not implementing basic support=2E Some external packages are also very limited and there are other external = additions and plugins to make them functional=2E=2E=2E So adding more and m= ore modes for languages is worthless=2E Use a ring to rule them all please= =2E On August 28, 2021 10:40:07 PM GMT+02:00, Dmitry Gutov wrote: >On 28=2E08=2E2021 19:28, Theodor Thornhill wrote: >> Joking aside, I didn't mean to start a "why isn't my mode in core" thre= ad=2E The rules just seemed a little arbitrary=2E Also now with LSP a thing= this is more viable than ever=2E The only benefit would be one off edits w= ouldn't need a package download=2E > >Good point about LSP, but since it needs an installation from (M)ELPA=20 >anyway, the only benefit is for one-off edits that somehow don't use the= =20 >main user's setup=2E Which would seem to be a rare thing to do=2E > --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------USUFX7TR6SLAL9R1BJQQZMFQOWCM84 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually, it is more scalable and optimal to inves= t time implementing lsp and tree-sitteer building support because support= ing more external packages and modes one by one for languages that maybe wo= n't be popular after some years, so they will become unmaintained and unrem= ovable from vanilla=2E Most of the code in the programming modes (and perfo= rmance penalty) is actually dedicated to syntax highlight, indentation, an= d code navigation=2E Something that tree-sitee will do better and faster in= most cases=2E Then language specific modes could add just some extra speci= fic details=2E=2E=2E And we can invest then our time improving, not impleme= nting basic support=2E
Some external packages are also very limited and = there are other external additions and plugins to make them functional=2E= =2E=2E So adding more and more modes for languages is worthless=2E Use a ri= ng to rule them all please=2E

On August 2= 8, 2021 10:40:07 PM GMT+02:00, Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex=2Eru> wrot= e:
On 28=2E08=2E2021 19:28, Theodor Thornh=
ill wrote:
Joking aside=
, I didn't mean to start a "why isn't my mode in core" thread=2E The rules =
just seemed a little arbitrary=2E Also now with LSP a thing this is more vi=
able than ever=2E The only benefit would be one off edits wouldn't need a p=
ackage download=2E

Good point about LSP, but since it n=
eeds an installation from (M)ELPA 
anyway, the only benefit is for one-o=
ff edits that somehow don't use the 
main user's setup=2E Which would se=
em to be a rare thing to do=2E

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