From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: thibaut.verron@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Standardizing more key bindings?
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2020 23:35:01 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <0272f186-d99b-bd1c-6b0e-8bc06a7ed6c2@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1kZ4xq-0004oW-4C@fencepost.gnu.org>
On 01.11.2020 06:27, Richard Stallman wrote:
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>
> I wrote
>
> > The term "REPL" is inapplicable for most of these languages, since
> > they do not have anything comparable ton read, eval, or print.
>
> You responded,
>
> > It's useless to fight to reserve this term to Lisp: it has been solidly
> > coined for similar programs in non-homoiconic languages as well for the
> > last 10-20 years at least.
>
> which seems to be a change of subject, because you're talking about
> some sort of "fight".
> I'm talking about the question of what terminology we should use in
> describing and designing GNU Emacs. We should use clear and correct
> terminology.
We should also try to call things generally the same names what other
people have already assigned to them. That allows us to benefit from a
shared language (a technical dialect of English) and help users that
just start out with Emacs to do it faster and easier.
> Doing that does not require that we fight with other groups
> that make other decisions.
If we assign a different name for a thing than most other people use,
our name will be "fighting" the existing name in the minds of our users.
That would be more apparent, however, if Emacs were more popular.
> > The languages in question might not have the same kind of 'read', but
> > they usually have 'eval', and their REPLs do 'print'.
>
> 'read' and 'eval' are things that those lanuages don't have.
You might want to familiarize yourself more with e.g. JavaScript.
eval('1 + 1')
=> 2
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Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-09-27 9:31 Standardizing more key bindings? Thibaut Verron
2020-09-27 15:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-28 3:44 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-28 4:38 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-28 7:39 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-29 3:30 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-29 5:07 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-29 10:36 ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2020-10-01 4:09 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-01 5:20 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-29 21:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-11-01 4:27 ` Richard Stallman
2020-11-01 6:56 ` References to "REPL" from past Jean Louis
2020-11-01 13:51 ` Standardizing more key bindings? Stefan Monnier
2020-11-02 5:41 ` Richard Stallman
2020-11-02 6:14 ` Yuri Khan
2020-11-02 8:08 ` tomas
2020-11-02 9:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-11-02 11:40 ` Python REPL using standard library functions Yuri Khan
2020-11-02 22:46 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-11-01 21:35 ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2020-11-01 22:27 ` Standardizing more key bindings? Drew Adams
2020-11-02 5:46 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-29 21:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-30 6:08 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-30 16:58 ` Opening Up More Keymaps " T.V Raman
2020-09-30 17:29 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-30 18:12 ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-30 18:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-30 18:35 ` T.V Raman
2020-09-30 18:41 ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-30 19:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-30 19:58 ` T.V Raman
2020-09-30 20:00 ` Noam Postavsky
2020-09-30 20:03 ` T.V Raman
2020-09-30 21:00 ` chad
2020-09-30 21:34 ` T.V Raman
2020-09-30 20:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-30 20:51 ` T.V Raman
2020-09-30 21:13 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-30 21:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-30 21:37 ` T.V Raman
2020-09-30 21:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-30 23:07 ` T.V Raman
2020-10-01 2:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 3:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-01 12:38 ` Ergus
2020-10-01 14:17 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-10-01 14:45 ` Caio Henrique
2020-10-02 3:54 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-02 10:43 ` Ergus
2020-10-04 19:34 ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-02 3:49 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-02 6:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-02 11:34 ` Ergus
2020-10-02 12:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-04 3:38 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-04 10:38 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-04 13:46 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-04 16:24 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-04 17:00 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-04 17:32 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-04 17:46 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-05 3:11 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-06 8:59 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2020-10-04 17:46 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-05 3:13 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-04 14:10 ` Howard Melman
2020-10-02 3:45 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-02 6:26 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-04 3:39 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-04 3:39 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-02 6:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-02 14:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-04 3:38 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-04 7:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-05 3:14 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-02 13:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-03 2:57 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-06 12:53 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2020-10-06 13:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-06 14:24 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2020-10-06 14:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-08 9:40 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2020-10-07 4:19 ` Richard Stallman
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