From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Eli Zaretskii" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Options menu Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:32:47 +0200 Message-ID: <01c52c99$Blat.v2.4$0c75eac0@zahav.net.il> References: <010e01c52c0d$ac93ede0$0200a8c0@sedrcw11488> <01c52c6d$Blat.v2.4$713e68a0@zahav.net.il> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1111246831 6662 80.91.229.2 (19 Mar 2005 15:40:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 15:40:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 19 16:40:30 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCg2y-0000qV-QA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:39:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCgJh-0007vY-62 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:56:45 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DCgJF-0007ta-6C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:56:17 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DCgJB-0007qs-6G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:56:13 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DCgJA-0007of-OI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:56:12 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.114.186.66] (helo=romy.inter.net.il) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DCfzE-0007uR-Uw; Sat, 19 Mar 2005 10:35:37 -0500 Original-Received: from zaretski (IGLD-84-228-241-130.inter.net.il [84.228.241.130]) by romy.inter.net.il (MOS 3.5.6-GR) with ESMTP id AUA03556 (AUTH halo1); Sat, 19 Mar 2005 17:35:33 +0200 (IST) Original-To: David Kastrup X-Mailer: emacs 22.0.50 (via feedmail 8 I) and Blat ver 2.4 In-reply-to: (message from David Kastrup on Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:24:34 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:34774 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:34774 > Cc: "Lennart Borgman" , > emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: David Kastrup > Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:24:34 +0100 > > > When Emacs 21.1 was released, many users complained about the > > changed menu-bar structure, even though the new structure was > > generally better, certainly more standard-compliant, and had many > > useful additions. Still, they complained. There's a lesson to be > > learned here, IMHO: significant changes in the menu bar should only > > be done for a very good reason. > > Uh, Eli? Reality check. The last released menu structure is from the > year 2001 or so. It was redesigned in 2001, but it was last released just a few weeks ago, with Emacs 21.4. > No matter _what_ we will release next, it will have significant > changes all over the board. Not in the menu-bar's menu structure, AFAIK. > Consistency and cleanliness _are_ good reasons. Apparently, not good enough for quite a few users. That was what I was trying to tell above, obviously with no success. > the current structure _is_ already completely dissimilar to the last > released one. Unless I miss a lot of changes, I don't see how the current CVS is ``completely dissimilar'' to v21.4 as far as the menu bar is concerned. The changes are quite small.